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Old 09-21-2007, 04:58 AM
midnightpulp midnightpulp is offline
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Default Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

We all find ourselves in this touchy situation about 600 times a session. So I'm wondering, how do you guys like to play these types of hands? An example:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero???
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:12 AM
rzk rzk is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

assuming the villains are unknown, i'd bet the flop in order not to give a free card.

as played i'd c/r the flop once sb folds, since it's likely mp is FOS.

as played i'd c/c the turn, c/f an overcard river, c/r/f a 7, c/r/c an 8, and c/c an undercard.

i don't know if these lines are optimal against a complete unknown but that's what i'd probably do.
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:55 AM
shane88888 shane88888 is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

There's nothing wrong with betting out.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:14 AM
Saikkonen Saikkonen is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

I prefer betting out compared to C/R. There is only 3SB in the pot and this gives us some bad reverse implied odds with checkraising. If he has us beat our checkraising will cost us 2sb on the flop + 2sb when we bet out on the turn. That is 4sb to win 1 sb. It would be much easier to just bet out and if he calls or raises we can decide from that point.
Generally we want to come down cheap so no need to get tricky with our marginal made hand. Bet out must be it.
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:48 AM
bobhalford bobhalford is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

This flop is unlikely to have hit anyone, so I just bet out to prevent giving a free card to two players. Take it down, next hand.
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:13 AM
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

I'm not sure why you're just calling the flop if you're going to give up on the turn. I don't mind calling down here or check-raising the flop, depending on the player. I'm not representing the K here though.
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:17 AM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

calling down is fine. make a note of what villain bets with in position when checked to.
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:18 AM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

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as played i'd c/r the flop once sb folds, since it's likely mp is FOS.

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then your CR is pointless DUCY
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:36 AM
Noir_Desir Noir_Desir is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

no it isnt, make him pay to draw to his overcards. I don't see how putting money in with an equity advantage is pointless if Villain wont fold the street.
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Old 09-21-2007, 10:46 AM
midnightpulp midnightpulp is offline
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Default Re: Playing weak second pairs out of the blinds

Yeah, I usually bet out here. I had one of those stupid moments.
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