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#11
11-09-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible.
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#12
11-09-2006, 02:02 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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Does anyone like leading the flop better than c/r? I'm not sure I do, just wondering... [/ QUOTE ] It depends on the villian. Lots of players will push all-in on you with whatever they have because they think you betting into the pfr looks weak. But if you're up against a relatively tight/ABC player, then betting into him is fine.
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#13
11-09-2006, 02:04 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
I would have just folded preflop. You only have 13 BB's and you're out of position against 1 player. I don't see the point in calling and getting yourself into a guessing game. Fold and find a hand you can shove with.
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#14
11-09-2006, 03:02 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
I would have folded this preflop because you have 9-high, this is a sit and go, and you are out of position.
Also, relevant stacks in a hand are more than just the raiser and you. What about the make up of all the stacks MP is raising into? That certainly has a bearing on his preflop range. Also, the action on the flop is screwed up. MP can't be first to act if you were in fact in the BB.
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#15
11-09-2006, 03:05 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#16
11-09-2006, 03:41 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself.
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#17
11-09-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself. [/ QUOTE ] Keeping the pot small and check-raising all-in would be a contradiction.
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#18
11-09-2006, 04:15 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As played I like the flop push [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Nah try to keep this pot as small as possible. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] it's either push or fold when he bets into you. Obv you like to see a cheap showdown, but he isn't giving you the option, so I think pushing +EV here. I don't think I'm contradicting myself. [/ QUOTE ] Keeping the pot small and check-raising all-in would be a contradiction. [/ QUOTE ] i think what hes *trying* to say is that, while your original goal would be something along the lines of checking behind on the flop with a midpair, the situation has turned such that you either have to secede the pot or come over the top. since the original goal of keeping the pot small has arrived at a fork in the road, he suggests shoving....maybe im just way off
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#19
11-09-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: $60 89s: Fancy Play Syndrome?
Without any info on the raiser pf, I would fold or call and lead flop.
But that is ridiculous, you should have some info. What is his VPIP, pfr%? This will give a range of hands that the will have on teh flop. How often will he c-bet here? Given all that info, it will be simple to know if we should call pf and if middle pair is good here enough. If he was 30/14 and cbet 75, c/r all in is very Goot.
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