Bluffing in 3-bet pot

[xorbie]

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then why not just call 3bets w/ SCs OOP all the time?

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because that would be stupid.

[LucidDream]

whatever, im done here. i disagree w/ xorbie since he either didn't read the OP or something. you said you have no read on how he plays postflop in 3bet pots but he apparently agrees in that situation that position is irrelevant. i guess it is if you don't mind just blindly shoving a stack in usually drawing dead on this flop when called w/ absolutely no reads.

but that was the post you were looking for OP...the one that made how you played the hand right and all the other posts saying fold pf wrong.

[mustmuck]

3 bet pots essentially make the stacks shallower. Shallower stacks make position matter less. Position always matters, just less so with shallower stacks.

I guess this hand demonstrates why position still matters though! (flop action) Also, villain may not think that you'd just call with AK/KQ OOP. I assume that this is what you're trying to rep on the river?

[LucidDream]

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then why not just call 3bets w/ SCs OOP all the time?

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because that would be stupid.

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agree, so is continuing w/ 65s here OOP completely readless.

[mustmuck]

Oh, and I fold this close to 100% preflop.

[xorbie]

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whatever, im done here. i disagree w/ xorbie since he either didn't read the OP or something. you said you have no read on how he plays postflop in 3bet pots but he apparently agrees in that situation that position is irrelevant. i guess it is if you don't mind just blindly shoving a stack in usually drawing dead on this flop when called w/ absolutely no reads.

but that was the post you were looking for OP...the one that made how you played the hand right and all the other posts saying fold pf wrong.

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the guy is a 29/21, this is a button vs a CO. i think its safe to assume that "3bets a bunch" is a pretty good read and so its safe to assume he has air here a decent amount and its safe to assume since hes not a passive douche that hes going to be cbetting air a decent amount and since we are very very rarely getting it in drawing dead (which you would know if you read OP) and likely have a lot of FE and decent equity, there's really no problem whatsoever with the pf call every once in a while.

[cbboy]

What do you mean we have decent equity when called? I'm pretty sure that if we get called we are drawing to backdoor straight/flush/two pair/trips...

[LucidDream]

yes, if he flops something obv he has some equity but in this pot he has no equity tho maybe some FE. the problem is that if villain is good he is going to be chk'ing the flop behind w/ reasonable hands like J7s, AT, etc. if he is going to be calling OOP he should have a little better read on his postflop play IMO...obv if he is 29/21 and 3 bets a reasonable amount he will have trash here some but c/r'ing w/ no equity is crazy.

[g-p]

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ur right position isn't important in poker.

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doesnt matter THAT much in 3bet pots to be honest.


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WHAT

[Laetus]

LucidDream, don't get me wrong. I obviously don't do this all the time - in fact very rarely. And it's better to do this in position and with a better read (and also smaller stacks).