nl50 - turn spot with tpnk and 4flush

[BadBigBabar]

hi guys, i thought this turn was a tough spot. my image is tag and i have no read on the other guys; but they're not terrible.

nl50 fr online, playing 7 handed

Hero ($48.25)
UTG ($62.20)
MP1 ($23.85)
MP2 ($8.30)
CO ($53.60)
Button ($57.30)
SB ($20.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
MP1 calls $0.50, The calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($7) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, UTG calls $7, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 goes all in for $21.6</font>, Hero ?

so there's 42 in the pot and it's 14 back to me with someone to act behind me. the problem is with the paired board i have to consider one of them on trip 7s or a better queen at least and if they're full then my flush outs are gone too and i'm drawing basically dead.

what do you guys take into account / do as your default play here against unknowns?

thanks.

[Johnes Benjamin]

This is a fold.
3 handed it is worse than HU but UTG doesn't usually have much of a hand here so he isn't a huge concern.

Flush outs are pretty weak, you are only hitting about 1/5 times.
My math may be a little off but basically if it was HU then you have to be good only like 1/4 to call (14 to win 56).
If you are behind and flush outs are clean then it is slightly less, 1/3.6 or something.

Meh, this isn't as clear as I thought at first. He could have QJ or something and you have outs to split as well.

I just don't see him floating the flop and picking up a spade draw or something with so short a stack. I think he has to have you beat here almost always.
Just fold

[Chargers In 07]

I actually think this is a call and I like to fold alot. I also hate your betsizing.

[BadBigBabar]

chargers, care to elaborate?

on the flop i figure i have a monster and hope to get raised so i can 3bet big. i feel like even a smaller bet won't get called by random trash really.

on the turn i guess i could have bet less but i don't really see why.

sometimes when i bet pot or closer to it and then my opponents react strongly i find that it can help me make my decisions.

[Chargers In 07]

[ QUOTE ]

on the turn i guess i could have bet less but i don't really see why.

[/ QUOTE ]your equity is less and you don't want to get raised here.

[BadBigBabar]

i guess i can bet 5 and still betfold pretty confidently is i guess what you're getting at? i'm folding to a raise either way so i can save the few bucks - makes sense.

[Chargers In 07]

Pretty much, you have showdown value but if you're raised you're toast. I'd like to set my own price (not the pot) for my draw and evaluate after I see the action.

[BadBigBabar]

cool - thx for the help