Some big pair hands

CalledDownLight · #1 11-12-2007, 05:38 PM

Hand 1

Opener is 21/6.3 over 80 hands, probably horrible. 4better is unknown. Do I bet anywhere? Should I be folding to a flop or turn bet? What about a river bet. I was really really lost here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($136.50)
UTG+1 ($265.40)
Hero ($111.50)
MP2 ($56.55)
MP3 ($80.70)
CO ($23)
Button ($109.60)
SB ($19)
BB ($25.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $2, Hero raises to $8, MP2 raises to $14, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls $12, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($43.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: ($43.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: ($43.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Hand 2

Villain is amazinmets, he's a nutpeddling nit. I have him at 11.8/6.5/3.1 over 700 hands. I assume people play it the same up to this point? Shoving preflop is definitely bad vs. this guy.

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MP1 ($26.65)
Hero ($107.20)
CO ($95.50)
Button ($97.40)
SB ($100)
BB ($134.65)
UTG ($270.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.

Flop: ($29) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($73) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $64 (All-In), Hero ???

Hand 3

Sound the alarms. I just got limp/reraised and then limp/4bet. Fold or shove? Yes, I know these are the questions people hate, but most of the time it isn't such an unusual situation. This is the first time I've ever seen this action.

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Button ($95.50)
SB ($17.10)
BB ($60)
UTG ($134.30)
UTG+1 ($56.55)
Hero ($143.25)
MP2 ($55.65)
MP3 ($97)
CO ($97)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 6 folds, UTG raises to $15, UTG+1 raises to $56.55, Hero ???

Hand 4

Just a quick sizing question. Both villains are unknown. This is good sizing and shove every flop? Mainly asking because I don't 4bet often unless its a CO or btn open.

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Button ($115.55)
SB ($211.60)
BB ($41.60)
UTG ($44.20)
UTG+1 ($115.95)
Hero ($100)
MP2 ($115.45)
MP3 ($86.35)
CO ($160.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $9, CO calls $9, 3 folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to $30

Hand 5

Villain is unknown. Turn is a good card for me. River overbet is worrisome.

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MP2 ($26.40)
CO ($98.50)
Button ($98.50)
SB ($19)
BB ($111.60)
UTG ($125.65)
Hero ($193.65)
MP1 ($102.90)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 5 folds, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4.

Flop: ($15.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB folds, UTG raises to $30, Hero calls $18.

Turn: ($75.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: ($75.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $90.65 (All-In), Hero ???

For your enjoyment, my heads up soul read and getting soul read

PokerStars Game #13136389048: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/11/09 - 14:30:50 (ET)
Table 'Cursa' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: 07041968 ($97 in chips)
Seat 2: BlueDevils09 ($102.70 in chips)
07041968: posts small blind $0.50
BlueDevils09: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BlueDevils09 [As 8c]
07041968: calls $0.50
BlueDevils09: raises $3 to $4
07041968: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [Jh 4s 3d]
BlueDevils09: checks
07041968: bets $5
BlueDevils09: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Jh 4s 3d] [3c]
BlueDevils09: checks
07041968: bets $8
BlueDevils09: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Jh 4s 3d 3c] [2c]
BlueDevils09: checks
07041968: bets $14
BlueDevils09: calls $14
*** SHOW DOWN ***
07041968: shows [Ks 8h] (a pair of Threes)
BlueDevils09: shows [As 8c] (a pair of Threes - Ace kicker)
BlueDevils09 collected $61.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $62 | Rake $0.50
Board [Jh 4s 3d 3c 2c]
Seat 1: 07041968 (button) (small blind) showed [Ks 8h] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 2: BlueDevils09 (big blind) showed [As 8c] and won ($61.50) with a pair of Threes

PokerStars Game #13137229924: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/11/09 - 15:16:37 (ET)
Table 'Latona' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: goedhart ($193.30 in chips)
Seat 2: BlueDevils09 ($192.30 in chips)
BlueDevils09: posts small blind $0.50
goedhart: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BlueDevils09 [5h 7h]
BlueDevils09: raises $2 to $3
goedhart: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [Ah 2d Td]
goedhart: checks
BlueDevils09: bets $5
goedhart: calls $5
*** TURN *** [Ah 2d Td] [Ac]
goedhart: checks
BlueDevils09: bets $12
goedhart: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [Ah 2d Td Ac] [Tc]
goedhart: checks
BlueDevils09: bets $25
goedhart: calls $25
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlueDevils09: shows [5h 7h] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
goedhart: shows [Ks Qs] (two pair, Aces and Tens - King kicker)
goedhart collected $89.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $90 | Rake $0.50
Board [Ah 2d Td Ac Tc]
Seat 1: goedhart (big blind) showed [Ks Qs] and won ($89.50) with two pair, Aces and Tens
Seat 2: BlueDevils09 (button) (small blind) showed [5h 7h] and lost with two pair, Aces and Tens

Makonnen · #2 11-12-2007, 06:01 PM

Hand One: I think I bet turn. One of them has AK, the other may have you beat. But part of the reason I'm betting is I don't think it will go check^3 on the river. If it does, I guess that's OK.

Hand Two: Call. Because you didn't r/r preflop, he doesn't put you on AA/KK/QQ (maybe), and could be doing this with a pair you crush. I r/r flop, if not preflop, fwiw. Why is it so bad to push preflop here?

Hand Three: Jaysus H. If you ever were gonna fold KK, that's the action to do it. I dunno if I can find it at $100, though ...

Hand Four: Yah, sizing looks fine. Maybe a tad small, but whatever.

ranka · #3 11-12-2007, 06:36 PM

Running bad CDL? My little poker brain generates the following:

H1: I would play it same way.
H2: I would call.
H3: Shove.
H4: Looks ok to me.
H5: This hand dosen't make sense. limp/call preflop. Check raise the flop and check the turn. This guy have nothing, draw or boat/quads. I think, I would bet the turn and obv call shove then.

And why you think the turn card is good? This 3 helps the opponent but not you - turning his set to fh or 2pair into fh.

AllTheCheese · #4 11-12-2007, 07:08 PM

H1: Play the same.
H2: Play the same and insta call turn.
H3: Shove
H4: Fine. If the raise opp's raise was a little more, I overshove to make it look like AK.
H5: I play the same and snap-call river with Aces up. Betting the turn misses value IMO. Turn is a good card, Ranka. It reduces the number of combos that beat us. All the hands that were improved by that 3 had us crushed on the flop. Now there are less combos of crushing hands that opp can have and thus our equity increases.

Not that I think this is opp's range, it's just an example:

Board: Jc 3s 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.487% 33.38% 00.11% 29742 94.50 { AA }
Hand 1: 66.513% 66.41% 00.11% 59169 94.50 { 44-33, AsKs, AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As2s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 43s }

Board: Jc 3s 4s 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.773% 39.77% 00.00% 1260 0.00 { AA }
Hand 1: 60.227% 60.23% 00.00% 1908 0.00 { 44-33, AsKs, AsQs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As2s, 7s6s, 6s5s, 43s }

CalledDownLight · #5 11-13-2007, 12:19 AM

bump, imo

Chargers In 07 · #6 11-13-2007, 12:30 AM

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Hand Three: If you ever were gonna fold KK, that's the action to do it. I would def. fold LDO![img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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Def. call the KK against amazingmets, he'll show up w/JJ/QQ here against you won't he? Are people really so nitty that they won't?

twoblacknines · #7 11-13-2007, 12:41 AM

hand 1: I think I bet/fold flop. I hate letting him check through to get a free card, and checking to him and having him bet doesn't really help you with the rest of the hand.

hand 2: I like the preflop, flop is fine to get it in. Definitely get it in on turn. a 6.5 pfr is not low enough to fold KK. I check folded QQ to eyescreamman once but he had pfr of 1.5%.

hand 3: If you are ever going to fold KK preflop this is the spot. I had a streak the other week of getting KK vs AA and it was always to a 4 better. For some reason the .5/1 players also love the limp reraise.

hand 4: I like it, anywhere from 30-36 is good.

hand 5: Interesting. It really looks like a set that saw the board pair on the turn and decided to get tricky since they didn't have to worry about the flush draw anymore. I probably let this one go. If he had busted flush draw no need to overbet. However, there is a lot you beat. I think if you are going to call river it is much better to be betting the turn.