South Point TR - Page 2

ClubChamp04 · #11 10-29-2007, 05:46 PM

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Without knowing how long your uncle played it is impossible to question the steakhouse comp he requested. I can only speak from my personal experience but I've had no problems with comps when I feel (and obviously the house feels) that my time and wagers warrant it. We've had some great threads on this board about comps and I think you will find that getting a steak comped anywhere takes much time and effort and per hand betting. $100/200 is not that special.

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Not that special? SP doesn't have any action in the place at all, the atmosphere is dead there. Figure about 5 hours throughout that day and about 2-3K in the hole and they can't comp $100 for the steakhouse?

We had no problem getting a comp at emirils place in the Venetian with less play than SP.

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Finally, I'd be curious to hear from others but I've never had problems with the cage EXCEPT when they don't have someone at the chips only window and the line is filled with people wanting to cash their payroll checks. Cashing $1500 is nothing to them. I'm not doubting your experience but you seem to be piling on here.

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Like I said above, they don't have any "players" in the casino so when they start seeing 1K+ cashouts it turns into a scene.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread and with south point for life. Have fun in that poker room and the pits, I'll be at the Venetian and other real casino's.

Photoc · #12 10-29-2007, 05:53 PM

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Have fun in that poker room and the pits, I'll be at the Venetian and other real casino's.

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Will do, Thanks! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

DayTripping · #13 10-29-2007, 06:03 PM

Say what you will about South Point but their Bingo room is very nice.

Photoc · #14 10-29-2007, 06:05 PM

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Say what you will about South Point but their movie theatres are very nice.

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FYP [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Poshua · #15 10-29-2007, 06:55 PM

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South Point is just fine. No real difference from it and any other locals casino. The OP seems to have a major axe to grind and is throwing out speculation on all the games. He is unarmed with facts as can be seen by his using Photoc's .3% in every post.

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My number was a tad off, I remember it being .3% for some reason. Actually, the no peak with a 10 showing is .1% added to the house edge in a 2 deck game. The current house edge at South Point's bj game is .39038% using the Wizard's house edge calculator (total is .29038 and adding the .1% to the total). Thus increasing the edge from .29 to .39 (33% increase).

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Is the blackjack at South Point actually played with no-peek rules (rather than the tables just lacking blackjack detectors)? The only place I've personally seen no-peek was in Europe, where it is standard. When I played at the old San Remo (a gross place, now Hooters and presumably still gross) the tables didn't have blackjack detectors. Instead, they used a highly advanced peeking technique: the dealer would bend the hole card up slightly and look to see what she had.

Obviously, so long as the dealer is peeking (and not colluding with the players), the lack of a blackjack detector does not change the house edge.

Photoc · #16 10-29-2007, 07:07 PM

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Is the blackjack at South Point actually played with no-peek rules (rather than the tables just lacking blackjack detectors)? The only place I've personally seen no-peek was in Europe, where it is standard. When I played at the old San Remo (a gross place, now Hooters and presumably still gross) the tables didn't have blackjack detectors. Instead, they used a highly advanced peeking technique: the dealer would bend the hole card up slightly and look to see what she had.

Obviously, so long as the dealer is peeking (and not colluding with the players), the lack of a blackjack detector does not change the house edge.

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Yes, most of their tables have the no peak, unless they have an ace. If a 10 showing, no peak at all. Doubles/splits returned after the hand if dealer has a BJ though. They have some the readers on tables now.

Poshua · #17 10-29-2007, 07:14 PM

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Doubles/splits returned after the hand if dealer has a BJ though. They have some the readers on tables now.

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If the doubles/splits are returned when the dealer has a blackjack, then it is mathematically equivalent to peek; there is no change to the house edge. In Europe, under no-peek, the house keeps doubles/splits when the dealer has blackjack, which is the reason the house edge goes up.

If you don't have blackjack detectors, the reason to use South Point's procedure (rather than the one at the San Remo, which is faster) is that the dealer gets an opportunity to collude with the players if (s)he knows specifically what the hole card is.

Photoc · #18 10-29-2007, 09:27 PM

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Doubles/splits returned after the hand if dealer has a BJ though. They have some the readers on tables now.

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If the doubles/splits are returned when the dealer has a blackjack, then it is mathematically equivalent to peek; there is no change to the house edge. In Europe, under no-peek, the house keeps doubles/splits when the dealer has blackjack, which is the reason the house edge goes up.

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If you don't have blackjack detectors, the reason to use South Point's procedure (rather than the one at the San Remo, which is faster) is that the dealer gets an opportunity to collude with the players if (s)he knows specifically what the hole card is.

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There's no way any sane person would do this. It's just not worth getting arrested for cheating. Some morons I'm sure have tried it. And I know they keep a close watch on the dealers in houses like this. The Orleans was notoriously bad for sweating the dealers and money till Boyd took over, and it's now all 6:5 bj and carnival games.

grdred944 · #19 10-30-2007, 02:14 PM

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Not that special? SP doesn't have any action in the place at all, the atmosphere is dead there. Figure about 5 hours throughout that day and about 2-3K in the hole and they can't comp $100 for the steakhouse?

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Thank you for finally including how long your uncle played his $100-200 a hand. That does make a difference -- DUCY?

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Finally, I'd be curious to hear from others but I've never had problems with the cage EXCEPT when they don't have someone at the chips only window and the line is filled with people wanting to cash their payroll checks. Cashing $1500 is nothing to them. I'm not doubting your experience but you seem to be piling on here.

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Like I said above, they don't have any "players" in the casino so when they start seeing 1K+ cashouts it turns into a scene.

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We'll have to disagree here. It's not a Strip property but there is a good amount of money that goes through there. $1500 is nothing to them.

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Anyway, I'm done with this thread and with south point for life. Have fun in that poker room and the pits, I'll be at the Venetian and other real casino's.

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I love the Venetian's poker room so maybe I will see you and your 'uncle' pleading for a steak there soon.

DayTripping · #20 10-30-2007, 02:20 PM

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I love the Venetian's poker room so maybe I will see you and your 'uncle' pleading for a steak there soon.

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LOL. I guess I just don't have the same mentality as a high roller because it's always seemed strange to me how you can bet $200 a hand on BJ for hours and then bitch that you have to pay $50 for a steak.