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Old 09-25-2007, 04:13 PM
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Default $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

Villain is 19/14/3.2 or something over a large sample, which is mostly datamined. No recent history. What is villain's range here? And what do I do now. I assume PF and flop are standard?

Party Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$2/$4 Blinds
6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $908.40
BB: $329.83
UTG: $519.10
MP: $554.90
<u>CO: $400.00</u>
<u>Hero (BTN): $439.60</u>

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $16.00</font>, Hero calls $16.00, SB calls $14.00, BB folds

Flop: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">CO bets $40.00</font>, Hero calls $40.00, SB folds

Turn: ($132) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $84.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $344.00</font>, Hero....?!?!?!
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:22 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

check to make sure you really do have top two pair then click call, fistpump though.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

call that [censored]
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

wtf?
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:37 PM
I_WIN_VS_ODDS I_WIN_VS_ODDS is offline
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

fist teh pumpi
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

Against a 19/14 I'm probably not doing much fist pumping, but I call nonetheless and feel pretty good about it.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:40 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

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Against a 19/14 I'm probably not doing much fist pumping, but I call nonetheless and feel pretty good about it.

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Old 09-25-2007, 05:57 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

I don't really like calling pre-flop. You'll be dominated a lot when you make a pair on the flop, you leave yourself open for a squeeze PF, and it will be tough to float / sell CO on a big hand with this weak-looking PF action. I fold most of the time and maybe 3bet against looser opponents.

I don't know what he shoves turn with that we beat here, maybe QQ, KQ or other pair + OESD combos?? The rest of his range has to be sets or even AQ.

You're getting like 2-to-1 to call. I think his worst hands here are still going to have 8 outs, and the best have you dead or almost dead... unless he's prone to big moves, I think a fold could be in order here.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

definite call. he can have worse 2p, KQ, AK, lots of stuff
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: $400NL. KJ turns 2 pair facing a CRAI.

Preflop is whatever, I switch it up between 3betting and calling, rarely ever folding.

I'm not really thrilled about calling his shove, this is AQ/Q9 a fair amount, but it could also be KT, maybe KQ, etc. I suppose he could have a set but I'd say it's very unlikely for him to check the flop multiway with a set here on a board with tons of various straight draws. I'm still calling this though and I think it's correct in the long run, however it's definitely not a fist pump situation and is closer to a fold than I think most people are indicating. Like I said, I still think calling is best, but it's close.
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