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Old 09-06-2007, 06:47 PM
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Default Things I don\'t get #2

Please post hand examples where you raise/fold and let others critique it so the rest of us morons can figure out when to do this.
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Old 09-06-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Things I don\'t get #2

like on the river or turn or what?

an example from the river from recently

I raise a limper in MP w/77, good player calls in bb

A72 w/ one spade
checks to me I bet both call

turn is 9s
bb donks, I raise

river Ts
bb donks, I raise/fold
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Things I don\'t get #2

Whenever.

Why is raise/fold the best play here?
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:05 PM
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well the obvious textbook answer is because I think i'm good > 50% of the time when called and < 1/pot when he 3bets (in actuality 0%). not sure exactly what kind of explanation you're looking for beyond that?
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Things I don\'t get #2

Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
3 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (3 players) yourface is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">yourface bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, yourface calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">yourface raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, yourface folds.
Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: 12BB
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:09 PM
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Heh, I get that. I can't imagine this being good without a very very strong read though?
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:10 PM
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notice in both cases given you have very real, legitimate hands both for villain to call with and lose and for villain to 3bet with and win. also it helps if your hand is well defined as v v strong (unbluffable).
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:11 PM
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Heh, I get that. I can't imagine this being good without a very very strong read though?

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mine or yourface's? which part do you need a read for the raise or the fold? for mine I've probably played 200+ hrs live with him.
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:12 PM
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Default Re: Things I don\'t get #2

tag opens button, sb calls, i call J7 in bb.

flop T52. i check, btn bets, sb folds, i raise/fold.

how about a bet/fold?

tag opens CO. i 3b 66 sb.

flop 559 i c/c, turn 8 i c/c, river T i b/f.

classic raise fold vs. sane lag tag

i open AK utg. btn calls. SB tag coolcalls. bb calls.

flop Ac T 5c checks, i bet, btn folds, sb checkraises, i call.

turn 9d he bets i call.

river 8 he bets, i raise/fold.

he can have any suitd ace here and possibly make a bad pay off w/ JT. when he 3bets i put him on qc jc or a bad 3b with 55
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Old 09-06-2007, 07:14 PM
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Heh, I get that. I can't imagine this being good without a very very strong read though?

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mine or yourface's? which part do you need a read for the raise or the fold? for mine I've probably played 200+ hrs live with him.

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Yeah I was talking about your hand. I think you need a very strong read to make that play but you probably had that with all of those hours.
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