QQ in 3bpot 50nl

[danny8]

Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $55.65
BB: $57.08
UTG: $33.90
MP: $54.10
CO: $25.80
Hero (BTN): $49.25

Reads: <font color="blue">villains 13/9/3.75 over ~50 hands. i had been raising a fair amount but at the time i had only been at the table ~15 or so hands, so i dont think hes 3betting too light atm, i wasnt doing anything too out of line</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $6.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8.00</font>, Hero calls $8.00

Turn: ($28.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $18.00</font>, Hero folds


anyone play this differently? i didnt 4bet shove pf because i didnt think he was 3betting too light and if we get aipf im fairly sure im a large dog.

i suppose i could shove the flop, once he bets the turn i figuree his range is very heavily weighted towards aa/kk, obv tt-qq are possible too

[Dilznoofus]

I think I play it the same against the villain described.

I play the same nh. He is not 2nd barreling with AK here IMO and you loose to all his other holdings TT,JJ,KK,AA.

[ama0330]

You cant flat call the flop. Either raise or fold because you are definitely folding the turn if you dont hit, and he is definitely betting again, so you are basically paying a bunch of money to fold on the next street.

[BishopsFinger]

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You cant flat call the flop. Either raise or fold because you are definitely folding the turn if you dont hit, and he is definitely betting again, so you are basically paying a bunch of money to fold on the next street.

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this is never ak after the flop?

[whizzle]

really nice hand imo. I really hate reraising this flop. His range is crushing you. I play it the same

[danny8]

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You cant flat call the flop. Either raise or fold because you are definitely folding the turn if you dont hit, and he is definitely betting again, so you are basically paying a bunch of money to fold on the next street.

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Ama, why is he definitely betting again? if i was villain and had AK im prolly checking turn. Do you think he always fires again with AK? or do you think he never has AK?

[carlj123]

What plan do you have when calling the flop?

[Dilznoofus]

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You cant flat call the flop. Either raise or fold because you are definitely folding the turn if you dont hit, and he is definitely betting again, so you are basically paying a bunch of money to fold on the next street.

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I don't understand. Shouldn't we just fold the flop by this logic? How is raising ever an option?

I really disagree that villain is definitely betting the turn. If he has AK he will almost certainly check. That's the reason we're calling the flop, isn't it?

[danny8]

thanks for the replies so far

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What plan do you have when calling the flop?

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fold if he fires again. check behind if he checks... not sure if i should bet if he checks though.

I think people usually play straight forward in 3bpots without history (me included). if he has aa/kk/set i expect him to fire again. If he has AK or somehtign else he was 3betting with i expect him to give up on the turn.

maybe im being hopefull/naive, but i think its an ok assumption... obviously interested in others opinions though!