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Old 06-20-2007, 11:25 AM
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Ok, all the talk about not raising has got me confused. I consider the way I played this hand very standard, but do you?

Only read on BB is that he has donked an OESD 3-way from BB after OTB raised preflop and SB checked the flop.

5/10 5-max, Hero is OTB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Preflop:
UTG calls, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="red">BB bets</font>, <font color="red">hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (10BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: Standard?

If this isnt standard I dont want to be standard.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:35 AM
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I play it the same. Why would we not raise the turn here? If villain's got 2 pair we've got lot's of outs and I wan't to charge SB if he's drawing. I also think we're ahead here a lot.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:40 AM
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A lot of times the turn is a bet/3bet. I think on this particular turn card though I'm always raising. I might think twice on a 6 or 7, always raise a jack or a ten. I like a jack better than a ten though.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:46 AM
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A lot of times the turn is a bet/3bet. I think on this particular turn card though I'm always raising. I might think twice on a 6 or 7, always raise a jack or a ten. I like a jack better than a ten though.

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Why would a Ten be better than a 7 and especially a 6? Both the T and 7 put a 3 strt on board, why would you feel more comfortable raising a T as opposed to a 7?
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: Standard?

totally standard except the converter is messed up

I've been thinking about the post that ILP made about using more passive lines to extract the most value. I think that in spots where you don't have to worry about protection (heads up, multiway with ragged boards) it can be better to just call the flop.

you win the most from bluffs and weak hands that would give up if you put in flop action, and you you win an extra half bet from any worse hand that villain will call down with. you charge draws more when their equity is worse, and you reduce their implied odds by keeping them in the lead.

I think you still need to raise the flop a significant amount of the time to give your semibluff raises credibility though.

ps stop playing in my games

edit: and this definately isn't one of those spots because the board is draw heavy and it is multiway
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:50 AM
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A lot of times the turn is a bet/3bet. I think on this particular turn card though I'm always raising. I might think twice on a 6 or 7, always raise a jack or a ten. I like a jack better than a ten though.

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Why would a Ten be better than a 7 and especially a 6? Both the T and 7 put a 3 strt on board, why would you feel more comfortable raising a T as opposed to a 7?

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Because for some reason people donk QJ like every time here. A ten is better than a 7 IMO because JT gets there with a 7. It's close to rambling.

For some reason I've just seen that the people who donk QJo on this flop are also the type to donk the straight when they hit it.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:52 AM
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I wasn't particularly thinking about ILP when I made this post. I know he mostly talks about small HU pots on dry boards. There has been other posters wanting to take more passive lines in bigger mw pots.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:23 PM
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I'm not raising the turn here, because if you get bet/3bet, you are losing almost always, and still have to call the river bet.

If you raise the turn, and get 3bet, you should call the 3bet, then fold the river UI.

I don't want to fold the river UI, so I just call down, and bet if he checks. On this particular river card, I'm raise/capping the river.

The flop is a must raise, since you have ppl after you.

The turn I just call down. You will get 2BB everytime, regardless of what he has.

The turn raise isn't bad, it just puts you in a tough spot if he bet/3bets the turn.

On a side note, if a good tag bets this turn, raising is suicide, because it's going to be a bet/3bet so often.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:38 PM
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"The turn I just call down. You will get 2BB everytime, regardless of what he has."

100% not true
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