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Old 05-17-2007, 12:44 AM
tiltn'noob tiltn'noob is offline
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Default NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($49.25)
UTG ($9.25)
UTG+1 ($49.25)
MP1 ($9.50)
Hero ($51.10)
MP3 ($55.10)
CO ($39.20)
Button ($103.20)
SB ($15.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $3.50, MP1 calls $2.50.

Flop: ($16.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $5.5 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $51.1</font>, BB calls $45.25 (All-In), Hero calls $27.10 (All-In).

Turn: ($165.20) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 3 all-in)</font>

River: ($165.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 3 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $165.20

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 9s 9c (three of a kind, nines).
MP1 has Qc Kc (straight, ace high).
Hero has Jc Js (three of a kind, jacks).
MP3 has Qd Qs (straight, queen high).
Outcome: MP3 wins $126.94. MP1 wins $38.25. </font>
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:52 AM
pterodactyl_ pterodactyl_ is offline
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

There is absolutely no way you fold this flop. You've just gotta do a better job filling up on the river.
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Old 05-17-2007, 12:56 AM
zman2245 zman2245 is offline
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

There's nothing you can do here. You played it fine. No way can you fold for $27 more when pot is ~$135. You have proper odds for filling up.

Nice hand. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

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There is absolutely no way you fold this flop. You've just gotta do a better job filling up on the river.

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Old 05-17-2007, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

Gotta go AI here. BB OTOH, probably should fold after the reraise.
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Old 05-17-2007, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

raise more pre, 4.50 at least. mabey 5 or 6
gotta lose it all with that flop.
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

More results oriented posts/thinking imo. I'm sorry you lost w/ a set.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

heck no.
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:40 AM
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

BB and MP3 are obviously both awful.
Hero has gotta go AI here.
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Old 05-17-2007, 04:54 AM
Larude Larude is offline
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Default Re: NL50: OMG what a hand! Can I fold to the AI on the Flop?

Maybe it is a fold with this action. We are getting about 1:5 which means you should have about 8 outs. I can't find them, can you? Moreover the action means more people will have some of the outs you probably need. I mean MP1 goes allin, then you raise which means that you say i can beat an overpair or toppair I have at least two pair (maybe more in this protected pot), Then MP3 comes over the top saying I can beat two pair (set or straight) and then the BB says well i can beat a set, so he has to have a big set like JJ or a straight more leaning towards a straight. So if you had folded in this spot i think that wouldn't be bad either, it's a marginal situation. If we look at the results these 2 guys with QQ and 99 played it awfully with the information they got, but yeah we can't assume that they are so bad can we?
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