Wynn Dealers Unionizing

[pokerswami]

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Wynn screws the dealers

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I think this is at least debatable.

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Even Steve is admitting now he screwed the dealers. Shouldn't that kinda end any debate?

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Not really. He's just posturing now.

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QFT. Steve probably has big plans, and the dealers wont like it.

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I don't get this. The article states there are 633 full time dealers. Taking $10,000. from each would be $6,330,000.

I don't know anything about running a big Las Vegas casino, but it seems only negative fallout can come from the casino trying to claim this money. Unless they're now going to try to replace a large portion of dealers with machines, then taking ~$6.5 million a year from the dealers and handing the majority of that to the supervisors vs. having to deal with another union makes just ponying up more money for the surpervisors a better deal for the casino.

If Wynn had just paid the supervisors more, or had many more dual rate dealers/floor personnel then it seems to this outsider that he would have been much better off than he is going to be now.

[pig4bill]

Aren't there throngs of would-be dealers just waiting to be hired if the Wynn dealers strike?

[Rottersod]

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One of the first negotiating points was to revisit the tip agreement. "That tip sharing, we definitely want that back in our pockets," Laux said.

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its plausible that with the union the dealers could actually earn less at first due to a failure to renegotiate the tip share, walkouts, work stoppages, and other tools the union will use to help the dealers in the long run, but hurt them greatly in the short run. It seems as if the dealers joined the union with a false sense of financial security. Sure the union will help them all keep their job security, but their dues might be as great as any "raise" they would have gotten by not joining the union. Wynn could still hold his ground at the risk of a strike, there are plenty of dealers in LV would would die to work there as a scab just to get the opportunity to make as much as the Wynn dealers did even with the tip sharing structure.

In short - the war between the dealers and Steve Wynn isn't over, this was just the first major battle (which Steven obviously lost) - there will be more battles to come, and some of them might be bloody with families losing their source of income during a walkout. Not pretty.

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I wouldn't be so quick to discount job security as an important union benefit. And I wouldn't assume that joining a union automatically means job actions, walkouts or strikes. In fact, if you look at the history of organized labor you will find that only a very small percentage of strikes have occurred as a ratio of the total number of contract negotiations. What typically happens is that both sides negotiate and come to an agreement where each side gives up something(s) in exchange for other thing(s). The employees benefit because they can negotiate as a group and extract better terms and employers benefit by having a happy, satisfied workforce with known costs that they can factor into future planning.

[pig4bill]

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One of the first negotiating points was to revisit the tip agreement. "That tip sharing, we definitely want that back in our pockets," Laux said.

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its plausible that with the union the dealers could actually earn less at first due to a failure to renegotiate the tip share, walkouts, work stoppages, and other tools the union will use to help the dealers in the long run, but hurt them greatly in the short run. It seems as if the dealers joined the union with a false sense of financial security. Sure the union will help them all keep their job security, but their dues might be as great as any "raise" they would have gotten by not joining the union. Wynn could still hold his ground at the risk of a strike, there are plenty of dealers in LV would would die to work there as a scab just to get the opportunity to make as much as the Wynn dealers did even with the tip sharing structure.

In short - the war between the dealers and Steve Wynn isn't over, this was just the first major battle (which Steven obviously lost) - there will be more battles to come, and some of them might be bloody with families losing their source of income during a walkout. Not pretty.

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I wouldn't be so quick to discount job security as an important union benefit. And I wouldn't assume that joining a union automatically means job actions, walkouts or strikes. In fact, if you look at the history of organized labor you will find that only a very small percentage of strikes have occurred as a ratio of the total number of contract negotiations. What typically happens is that both sides negotiate and come to an agreement where each side gives up something(s) in exchange for other thing(s). The employees benefit because they can negotiate as a group and extract better terms and employers benefit by having a happy, satisfied workforce with known costs that they can factor into future planning.

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Except in a right-to-work state like Nevada, striking is the only hammer the unions have. When everyone knows there are plenty of replacements waiting in the wings, strike is not much of a threat. The unions won't have much negotiating power.

[govman6767]

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Wynn screws the dealers

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I think this is at least debatable.

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Even Steve is admitting now he screwed the dealers. Shouldn't that kinda end any debate?

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Not really. He's just posturing now.

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QFT. Steve probably has big plans, and the dealers wont like it.

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I agree TT Wynn is just the type to say .... "ok I don't need you people anymore and introduce the biggest electronic tabled poker room ANYWHERE"

With Electronic Tables looming in the future dealers might want to rethink how aggressivly they want to pursue higher wages.

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Wynn screws the dealers

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I think this is at least debatable.

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Even Steve is admitting now he screwed the dealers. Shouldn't that kinda end any debate?

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Not really. He's just posturing now.

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QFT. Steve probably has big plans, and the dealers wont like it.

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I agree TT Wynn is just the type to say .... "ok I don't need you people anymore and introduce the biggest electronic tabled poker room ANYWHERE"

With Electronic Tables looming in the future dealers might want to rethink how aggressivly they want to pursue higher wages.

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earth to govman6767, come n govman6767.

- the poker dealers are not in the union. This was discussed earlier in the thread, and I don't think Wynn is that type of guy at all to dump human beings for electronic tables.

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Nevada is the most union-dense state in America despite being a "right to work" state. And even with "right to work" laws, the strip casinos have 90%+ membership rates, even at MGM where the casino is extremely anti-union.

Steve Wynn has always been one of the most union friendly operators in Vegas. There has never been a strike at any of his properties by any of the unions.

In fact, there have been very few strikes in Vegas at all, especially on the strip. The strikes that have happened have usually happened at casinos owned by families like the Alardi's who are insane and evil to their employees.

Unions are a major part of life in Las Vegas in the gaming industry. They are the major reason why cocktail waitresses have pensions and fully paid health insurance and are able to buy their own homes and put kids through college.

The dealers at the Wynn unionizing won't be bad in the least. In fact it can only improve their situation vis a vis management. Clearly they understand that and that is reflected in the vote.

When are people going to learn that unions aren't a boogie man that steals your money and drags you kicking and screaming out on strike? That's the crap the bosses have told workers for decades.

If it was true that unions could end up negotiating less and end up with a cheaper deal for management, then management would never fight the union.

[Don Olney]

just friggin peachy ---
I know the poker dealers are not part of this but still---
One voice for a hundred.
If (it will happen) they ever go on strike, lets see how happy those dealers are when they start getting notices of default.

OK no more rant ------

[Bicycles_Biatch]

Pulled tips + unionized dealers = BAD customer service.

I know some old time gamblers that SWEAR the service in Vegas went to hell when the tips started to get pulled. These same guys would also joke about the nightmare of bringing union representations to cash-income environment.

I'll still be going to the Wynn for Poker, but nothing else.

If the dealers want to make more money, then they can work towards getting promoted to a floor person / shift supervisor / pit boss. -OR-... two words for them... NIGHT - SCHOOL.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

PS... if the figures in the article are true... where the hell else in America can an uneducated individual work 40 hours a week in a georgous air conditioned environment and make $90K a year + full benefits + potential OT.

Seems to me like they don't have much to bitch about.