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Old 11-29-2007, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: no more value to be had i guess

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AA, KK and KQ too much, imo, or KJ folding

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pretty sure the first three 3bet flop most of the time here.

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i think that discounting those hands simply using that logic is bad. a good winning tag coule easily gotten here with one of these hands. i think the hands we want calling are folding too often for this to be a +EV betting spot.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:00 PM
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i dunno, tbh i would 3-bet those hands v v v vrarely
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:01 PM
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wait, so you are agreeing with me right? bc i was agreeing with you.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:04 PM
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wait, so you are agreeing with me right? bc i was agreeing with you.

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yes, luego made it sound like it was standard to 3-bet KK, AA, and KQ here, with these stacks and this situation. i'm saying that i'm pretty rarely 3-betting any of thsoe hands, and it would be my satndard to call, and i guess i'd be considered a 2p2 tag type.

so yea.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:17 PM
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Default Re: no more value to be had i guess

I think that from villain's POV pretty much everything got there if he has AT/KJ (or whatever other hand you beat) so I can't really see him looking you up too light. However, I'm pretty bad at thin value.

If you bet are you calling a raise?
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: no more value to be had i guess

well one thing that has to be considered is that, believe it or not ae, i checkraise a pretty absurd amount of flops at times. so i think not 3betting AA/KK/QQ/KQ here would be giving up a lot i think since i am def stacking off with AJ here. im guessing he could be checking behind QJ on turn sometimes tho. i dont know. i think its its close either way.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: no more value to be had i guess

I'd rr pre. I'd bet river for $228 or so... he wouldn't check JQ on the turn. He COULD have something like Q9 or AQ, but certainly something like j9 or KJ is very likely. I'd vbet this river TBH.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:50 PM
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well one thing that has to be considered is that, believe it or not ae, i checkraise a pretty absurd amount of flops at times. so i think not 3betting AA/KK/QQ/KQ here would be giving up a lot i think since i am def stacking off with AJ here. im guessing he could be checking behind QJ on turn sometimes tho. i dont know. i think its its close either way.

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you CR an absurd amount of flops so he shoul dbe 3-betting more? thats not how i see it, and without a lot of history, i woudl be calling here with KK +
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:53 PM
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Don't know about you guys, but whenever I fire my 87 here on river I get fkin SNAPCALLED by all fkin jacks and tens, so I would VB.
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:55 PM
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yeah def bet. why is everyone assuming he's good enough to know op prob won't bluff here. You'll get looked up loads
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