2/4 Didnt want to make 2 pair here

[BenzeneBird]

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this thread is painful to read

he would bet the flop with any K? orly? pretty much any K he could have gives him a pair also which puts him in a "way ahead or slightly behind" spot where he's rarely getting action from the stuff he's way ahead of. or maybe he has the straight on the flop, some ppl will check that, who knows if this is one of those guys

so then the argument is, well, if he has like K4 here, then he'd bet the flop... and the simultaneous argument is that he checked the flop with total air (76s?) but is now betting the turn with it... if this flop is too scary for him to bet with total air, then why does he have to bet it with just a naked king?

pretty much all of the rest of the stuff in his range like Axs etc have showdown value and are just going to try to get a cheap showdown, or stuff like a set is just going to bet the flop (or go for a cheap showdown once the turn hits if they were getting tricky)

and then there are people that want to start betting at all streets and [censored]... with a [censored] bluffcatcher

so in conclusion, WTF

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nicely said.


basically the ranges are showdown hands that have improved to a straight (KQ, KJ, K10) and are now value betting. Or air (or 99 or 10,9 or something) that was rightfully concerned about the bad flop and is now representing the straight. how wide is his preflop hand range? how bluffy is he post flop? does he check behind hands with no showdown value? might he even bet KQ?


as a rule of thumb i'd like calling more the wider his preflop hand range is, the more it deviates from royal cards the better (many royal cards on the turn are value betting when better or checking for showdown when they're behind). Also, people never seem to give up after one barrel, so i suppose you have to call both the turn and river, if the turn that is.


maybe you could toss in some fake stopping bets? if alot of his range after the flop check doesnt include a king then doing all you can to make him bet with the rest of his range might be a good idea. you could instacheck too if you intend to call, it may make him bet his kings weaker and bluffs stronger.

[halperin]

what king could he have here? unless he check behind ak on flop for some reason?