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Old 11-27-2007, 12:55 AM
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Default My tournament vs. efficacy in a nutshell (semi-LC)

Hands like this should explain why I'm happy with my play AND why I ended up with this avatar anyway:

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BB (t1485)
Hero (t1515)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB, t60) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB, t80) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB, t120) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB (t200)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 6c Jc (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Jh 9h (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB (t200). </font>


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BB (t1415)
Hero (t1585)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t40) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB, t100) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (7 BB, t140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7 BB (t140)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 4s 3s (full house, threes full of fours).
Hero has 9d 7c (two pair, sevens and threes).
Outcome: BB wins 7 BB (t140). </font>


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BB (t1640)
Hero (t1360)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t80) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB, t160) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB, t240) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB (t240)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qc Jh (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kd 4c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB (t240). </font>


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Button (t1520)
Hero (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t80) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB, t120) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls.

River: (7 BB, t280) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB (t360)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 4d As (one pair, nines).
Button has 4s 6s (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: Button wins 9 BB (t360). </font>


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BB (t1540)
Hero (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t80) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2 BB, t80) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (6 BB, t240) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6 BB (t240)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Qc 6d (one pair, twos).
Hero has 5h 8h (two pair, fives and twos).
Outcome: Hero wins 6 BB (t240). </font>

He claimed to have A4 in this one:

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BB (t1680)
Hero (t1320)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB, t130) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB, t170) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB, t250) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB (t250)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Qh 3s (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.25 BB (t250). </font>

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BB (t2225)
Hero (t775)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t120) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB (t240)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
No showdown. Hero wins 4 BB (t240). </font>



<u>Then this started happening....</u>

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Button (t1600)
Hero (t1400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB, t120) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (6 BB, t240) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (8 BB, t320) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB (t400)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 7h 7d (two pair, eights and sevens).
Button has 5h 4c (full house, fives full of eights).
Outcome: Button wins 10 BB (t400). </font>


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Button (t1835)
Hero (t1165)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (6 SB, t180) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (4 BB, t240) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB, t360) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB (t480)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has As 9c (one pair, nines).
Button has Jh 5s (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: Button wins 8 BB (t480). </font>

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BB (t2075)
Hero (t925)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t120) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB, t180) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB, t180) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB (t300)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Kc 7d (two pair, jacks and sevens).
Hero has 2s Ah (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome: BB wins 5 BB (t300). </font>


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BB (t2210)
Hero (t790)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB, t120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB, t180) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB, t180) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 5 BB (t300)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 2s 2d (three of a kind, twos).
Hero has Jh Jc (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 5 BB (t300). </font>


Then the last hand...

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BB (t2450)
Hero (t550)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB, t400) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB, t800) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (11 BB, t1100) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: 11 BB (t1100)

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Js Ad (one pair, jacks).
Hero has Jc Qs (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: BB wins 11 BB (t1100). </font>




Feel free to comment on how either of us played any of these hands to turn this into a strat thread on HU limit SNGs. I don't think I played perfectly (I didn't include two poorly timed bluffs I ran on him) but I'm pretty happy with how I did. Except for choosing the site on which I would play my opponent -- Stars just adores efficacy.
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:22 AM
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Default Re: My tournament vs. efficacy in a nutshell (semi-LC)

hand 1 J9s I dunno. depends a lot on his 3bet range I think whether to raise flop or turn or river

hand 4 A4o is bad. you think he is paying off with worse or are you turning your hand into a bluff? I think c/r flop is better. when he bets the turn after you peel that flop his range is a lot stronger unless there is some metagame stuff going on I don't know about. also we don't give free cards to hands that would prob call our flop c/r and fold turn UI

hand 5 58s bet flop

hand 6 Q3o preflop seems really bad

hand 9 A9o bet turn don't give free cards to weak draws that would fold and charge his good draws/pairs that realize you're taking a showdown line and can play v well vs you

hand 11 bet turn
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:31 AM
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Default Re: My tournament vs. efficacy in a nutshell (semi-LC)

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hand 1 J9s I dunno. depends a lot on his 3bet range I think whether to raise flop or turn or river

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I think in this spot raising the river maximizes the value from his range. He's not folding the turn unless he has a hand I want him to bet the river with too.

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hand 4 A4o is bad. you think he is paying off with worse or are you turning your hand into a bluff? I think c/r flop is better. when he bets the turn after you peel that flop his range is a lot stronger unless there is some metagame stuff going on I don't know about. also we don't give free cards to hands that would prob call our flop c/r and fold turn UI

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You have some good points here except a) with a flop c/r he calls down with better A-high, but with this line he folds it; b) he wasn't taking any free cards, even with draws, so c/r this turn charges the max to straight draws and is a value bet; c) I DIDN'T THINK HE WOULD HIT ANOTHER 3-0UTER HYACHACHA.

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hand 5 58s bet flop

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You can't c-bet every single flop; you have to mix in a few check-behinds, and you have to do it with both monsters and crap. It's just part of the mix-it-up strategy you have to have in HU SNGs like this. Playing every hand ABC is going to hurt you.

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hand 6 Q3o preflop seems really bad

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It wasn't; I set this hand up from the beginning with other lrr's and waiting for the right board.

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hand 9 A9o bet turn don't give free cards to weak draws that would fold and charge his good draws/pairs that realize you're taking a showdown line and can play v well vs you

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You don't understand; he hit his 3-outer and I knew it. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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hand 11 bet turn

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If you're not finding some opportunities for value checks, then you're missing a weapon from your game. This was the perfect spot for it imo (and in efficacy's too, as he later admitted).
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:44 AM
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Default Re: My tournament vs. efficacy in a nutshell (semi-LC)

it's tough to comment on huhu hands without seeing the whole sess

I really do think Q3o preflop is terrible because Q3o is crap. if he is 3betting you so much that the correct adjustment is to start open limping marginal hands, why would you choose this one to l/rr? I think something like 57s would be better to mix it up here because it hits those low cards that your premium l/rr hands will miss, you are less likely to be dominated, and you can fold out more better hands postflop with 7 high than with Q high

and I think JJ is a bet because his hand is most likely a marginal made hand and he expects you to represent that turn card

the others I'd have to be there I guess
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Old 11-27-2007, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: My tournament vs. efficacy in a nutshell (semi-LC)

I feel I got off very lucky

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