Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:28 AM
tubasteve tubasteve is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: 3-bet
Posts: 7,271
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

he seems aggro enough to bet 3 streets with AT, so i call
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:33 AM
TwoToGo-Grave TwoToGo-Grave is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 42
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I am surprised that you'd fold the river. If you are to fold the river, raise the flop are turn and see where you stand. As played, calling the river sounds very standard.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:37 AM
therockofgibraltar therockofgibraltar is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,436
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I think this is marginal call but I will make it b/c of two reasons:

1) you have under repped your hand so he might be firing missed overs (at least in some cases)
2) he is aggro enough to be betting TP (not even TPTK).

Against a tight range: 33,99+,AT river call is neutral (need ~30, have ~30). Add some other TP hands (KT, QT), maybe ui AK sometimes, and it is a clear +ev.

I call.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:39 AM
djshawk djshawk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 427
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

[ QUOTE ]
Why do you keep wanting to donk bet into him? Just let him keep betting and call down. I think by the river, he'll have worse tens enough to make the call.

[/ QUOTE ]

I guess because I'd check behind AK most turns looking to hit on the river, but bet when I had QQ+, AT. Given his AF I can see he's firing turn + river with more than me. As OP played I'd definitely call the river.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:40 AM
Chaos_ult Chaos_ult is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Non Serviam
Posts: 2,253
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

I'm rarely getting to showdown like this, but call as played.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-29-2007, 06:41 AM
Irishman07 Irishman07 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 232
Default Re: JJ OOP, ACK

In practice I'd probably call just cause I'm a station and I have an overpair! But when I sit back and think about it I'm not sure it isn't a fold. We have to be good here 30% of the time. I know our hand is underrepped, but it's pretty apparent we have something so I doubt he has air all that often. Maybe 10% of the time at most. What hands is a 16/12 value betting here that we beat... A10 and mayybe K10. His line is also consistent with QQ/KK/AA/sets/backdoor flushes. I'm just not sure we're good enough here. I doubt it makes a huge difference either way though and either calling/folding isn't a huge mistake. One thing that I feel is a big misconception is people thinking they have to call river just because they called turn and a pretty good river card hit. I think you're ahead of his range on the turn, but not so much on river, and I think the fact that the backdoor flush hit may play a small part in this.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.