200NL- TPNK + NFD vs donk

[Paul Thomson]

i really disagree with shoving the flop because assuming the Villain is a donk and won't fold A4o to a shove, what does shoving the flop gain us when we don't have any FE?

Also you could argue that the Villain won't pay us off when we hit, but I think that's also mute because once again the Villain is a donk and the pot is large.

Therefore, I like a call on the flop and check fold the turn if it blanks and we don't have odds to call.

What do u guys think of this argument?

[Fonkey123]

AKss= call flush, A3ss= push flop.

[Casper05]

fold turn

flop is a [censored] spot..we're always behind and never getting him to fold.

[nazahl]

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i really disagree with shoving the flop because assuming the Villain is a donk and won't fold A4o to a shove, what does shoving the flop gain us when we don't have any FE?

Also you could argue that the Villain won't pay us off when we hit, but I think that's also mute because once again the Villain is a donk and the pot is large.

Therefore, I like a call on the flop and check fold the turn if it blanks and we don't have odds to call.

What do u guys think of this argument?

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sounds pretty solid to me

[spivey]

Yeah, we don't have any FE against other Aces. I think you played it fine (assume you folded turn).

[Unknown Soldier]

good enough equity to shove the flop vs his range. I'd rather do that then call and c/f turn ui personally. Let's try not to play "perfect" poker with no idea of the guys range

[blankoblanco]

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shove

making him lay down TP is the most +EV thing for us.

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he's 40/0/1.2 and he just raised. expecting him to fold anything is um optimistic. people just mindlessly shove here but the question is if we think we have almost zero fold equity, like we do here, can it really be good?

[spivey]

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good enough equity to shove the flop vs his range. I'd rather do that then call and c/f turn ui personally. Let's try not to play "perfect" poker with no idea of the guys range

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What do you think his raising range is? And what would you expect a 40/0 to fold after raising?

[Unknown Soldier]

30 hand sample and i dont really know what his rising range is, that's what I'm guessing at. I guess it's weighted towards strong aces+, but he doesn't have to be bluffing much to make shoving +EV that's for sure.

[Casper05]

true, but he's never bluffing...he's simply hoping that we have a hand we don't want to fold.