200NL- KK against monster fish, play along with me - Page 2

pineapple888 · #11 10-02-2007, 12:22 PM

Puke and shove. His postflop aggro is actually quite high for his VPIP, and this could be some lame blocking bet or a weak bluff. If you are beat, you are beat.

FishSticks · #12 10-02-2007, 12:30 PM

Seems like a pretty standard raise flop / shove turn situation to me. He's a mega fish, who knows what he's weak leading with here - prob something stupid like 79. If you're beat you're beat, but against this kind of player I feel good about putting the money in like this.

djj6835 · #13 10-02-2007, 12:31 PM

I would just call his turn bet and then shove the river. This turn bet looks way too much like a blocking bet with a weak underpair that he may acatually fold because of the ace. Also gives villain another chance to bluff on the river. The only reason I can see for shoving turn is if he has exactly 79 or 57.

Hince · #14 10-02-2007, 12:36 PM

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I agree. I thought about just calling here, and letting him fire the river again, but he gives us more action with worse hands if we raise here. I think a good portion of his range is some kind of draw, and I doubt he is folding if we raise.

Unknown Soldier · #15 10-02-2007, 12:49 PM

i dont mind either call/call or shove now, but i call/call given board.

pineapple888 · #16 10-02-2007, 01:03 PM

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I agree. I thought about just calling here, and letting him fire the river again, but he gives us more action with worse hands if we raise here. I think a good portion of his range is some kind of draw, and I doubt he is folding if we raise.

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Yeah I'm worried about letting him get away on the river when we are ahead. Note that there is a club draw now also.

Hince · #17 10-02-2007, 01:16 PM

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I would think with the addition of a club draw, the board would dictate a raise.

Montezuma21 · #18 10-02-2007, 01:23 PM

I like a call on this flop for pot control and information, and to keep UTG in the hand as his most likely holding IMO is unpaired overcards.

BB should be worried about both an UTG and a BTN call on the flop unless he has a 6. call flop and re-evaluate turn.

Edit: okay, maybe not.

ASC-what · #19 10-02-2007, 01:24 PM

I'd just call here. I don't like shoving cuz even though he's a donkey, most of the time you'll only get called by hands that beat you.

Unknown Soldier · #20 10-02-2007, 01:34 PM

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I would think with the addition of a club draw, the board would dictate a raise.

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if the flush draw was on the flop i'd agree. raisings fine, but i think call/call is a little better. idk probably doesnt matter too much either way. pros and cons to both, depends on how often he runs dumb bluffs.