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Old 06-17-2007, 04:56 PM
KRANTZ KRANTZ is offline
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Default 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

We're 5 or 6 handed with sklansky on my direct right and a couple of young players at the table. The rest of the table hasn't shown up yet. Blinds are 25/50 and I think we started with 60bbs. I've been opening almost every hand for the first 2 orbits. Both young guys on my left have reraised me once.

Villain, on my direct left, is a bad player who played this hand about 5 min prior to the one in question:

Sklansky raises, I fold, bad player calls in the SB, BB calls. Flop Q47 with a flush draw and bad player leads out, sklansky calls (with 44 wtf). Turn 8o, he checks and calls sklansky's bet, river 5o, he leads out for 1/2 pot-ish and sklansky calls and bad player tables QTo.

Anyway, bad player limps, another limper, SB folds, I check Q4cc in the BB.

Flop: 4oKc9c. I lead out for pot, bad player raises to 450 or so, limper folds, I make it 1250, he shoves and i call.
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Old 06-17-2007, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

bad starting stacks are 6k the call is almost as gross as the 3bet.
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Old 06-17-2007, 05:01 PM
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bad starting stacks are 6k the call is almost as gross as the 3bet.

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really? no way i'm folding what can definitely be 14 outs after i 3-bet for 120bb stacks
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Old 06-17-2007, 05:10 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

totally standard.
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Old 06-17-2007, 05:41 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

I think I just call his raise. Once you three bet it's a really easy call. This type of villain never folds after raising the flop and in this softa field I would rather get it in with tons of equity as opposed to racing
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Old 06-17-2007, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

standard
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Old 06-17-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

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bad starting stacks are 6k the call is almost as gross as the 3bet.

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really? no way i'm folding what can definitely be 14 outs after i 3-bet for 120bb stacks

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very few people in this tourney are putting in 120bbs in an unraise pot with a hand you have more 11 outs on.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

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bad starting stacks are 6k the call is almost as gross as the 3bet.

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really? no way i'm folding what can definitely be 14 outs after i 3-bet for 120bb stacks

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very few people in this tourney are putting in 120bbs in an unraise pot with a hand you have more 11 outs on.

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my thoughts...TP is like the bottom of Villains range.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

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bad starting stacks are 6k the call is almost as gross as the 3bet.

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really? no way i'm folding what can definitely be 14 outs after i 3-bet for 120bb stacks

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very few people in this tourney are putting in 120bbs in an unraise pot with a hand you have more 11 outs on.

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my thoughts...TP is like the bottom of Villains range.

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i would guess his range is two pair+ (so like K4+). he never has a naked K here.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:36 PM
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Default Re: 3k NL WSOP - standard? overplayed?

Just flat call the reraise to 450. Don't 3-bet, because you can't call a push.
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