Chip Ferguson’s Turbo SNG Article

[Red_Diamond]

I just read it now, though only once so I should perhaps read it again tomorrow when I am more awake.

Hand #23 seems far to results oriented to me? How can you be sure you'll have your opponent always dominated in this spot and be so happy to fold your PPs in other situations so you can get it all in later with this spot? Even 22 technically has him beat, though I admit most set-miners would fold smallish PP here.

Anyhow, only complaint is that I was very puzzled by some of the pot odds math going on. But I see someone else noticed in this thread problems with 2-1 & 3-1 foulups [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I was worried that I was so tired I couldn't think straight anymore. I just am surprised 2+2 didn't correct any math(typos?) unless of course it is policy not to touch any submitted work.

[jogsxyz]

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Any personal hand history article sounds like an ego trip.

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It's unfair to say or suggest the article was written as an ego trip. I recruited posters to write this specific type of article for the Magazine.

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Everyone is trying to reinvent the wheel. Bridge publications
have been providing recaps of tournaments for decades.
No one is interested in seeing every single hand. In
poker most hands have no educational value. This section:

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Blinds are 100/200

Hand 36: Open folded 73o from the Button.

Hand 37: This hand I was dealt Ad Js (3,030) in MP.
Supadphat (2,225) raised UTG to 600 (3x big blind)
and I folded.

Commentary: Easy fold. AJo is behind his opening
range here. If he limped I would probably shove,
but shoving over an UTG 3x raise with AJo is pretty
bad without a really solid read.

Hand 38: Open folded 65o from the HJ/MP1.

Hand 39: Open folded 92o from UTG+1

Hand 40: Folded 73o UTG.

Hand 41: Got a walk in the BB with J5s.

Blinds are 120/240

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Could have been shortened to this.

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Blinds are 100/200

Hand 37: This hand I was dealt Ad Js (3,030) in MP.
Supadphat (2,225) raised UTG to 600 (3x big blind)
and I folded.

Commentary: Easy fold. AJo is behind his opening
range here. If he limped I would probably shove,
but shoving over an UTG 3x raise with AJo is pretty
bad without a really solid read.

Blinds are 120/240

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The obvious folds are just filters. Drop them from the
recap.

Of course the hand histories don't always show the hole
cards of other players. Still the recap could also
include some interesting hands played by others at the
table. The lesson hands.

[Sigurd]

@jogsxyz

The obvious folds may not be obvious for everyone. Things that are obvious for some players, may not be obvious for others.

Personally I actually liked having all the clutter there, since it gave me of a "feel" for what was going on at the table.

[jogsxyz]

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Hand 1: Open folded A8o UTG+1

Hand 2: Folded A5o UTG

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These folds may not be obvious and merited a comment.

Two hole cards ten or under and not connected are obvious folds even for a beginner.

After reading thousands of recaps, only the 'meat' is interesting.

[Niediam]

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Hand 1: Open folded A8o UTG+1

Hand 2: Folded A5o UTG

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These folds may not be obvious and merited a comment.

Two hole cards ten or under and not connected are obvious folds even for a beginner.

After reading thousands of recaps, only the 'meat' is interesting.

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I have played over 1000 SnGs and they are not obvious folds to me as I only browse the STT forum once in a while...

[jogsxyz]

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Hand 1: Open folded A8o UTG+1

Hand 2: Folded A5o UTG

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These folds may not be obvious and merited a comment.

Two hole cards ten or under and not connected are obvious folds even for a beginner.

After reading thousands of recaps, only the 'meat' is interesting.

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I have played over 1000 SnGs and they are not obvious folds to me as I only browse the STT forum once in a while...

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Blinds are 100/200

Hand 36: Open folded 73o from the Button.

Hand 38: Open folded 65o from the HJ/MP1.

Hand 39: Open folded 92o from UTG+1

Hand 40: Folded 73o UTG.

Hand 41: Got a walk in the BB with J5s.

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Hands 36, 38, 39, and 40 are obvious folds.
Hard to believe any thinking player claims those
hands must be played.
Hand 41 is uninteresting.

Hands 1 and 2 could include a comment stating that
a weak ace should not be played in early positions.

[Sherman]

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Hand 1: Open folded A8o UTG+1

Hand 2: Folded A5o UTG

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These folds may not be obvious and merited a comment.

Two hole cards ten or under and not connected are obvious folds even for a beginner.

After reading thousands of recaps, only the 'meat' is interesting.

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I have played over 1000 SnGs and they are not obvious folds to me as I only browse the STT forum once in a while...

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Blinds are 100/200

Hand 36: Open folded 73o from the Button.

Hand 38: Open folded 65o from the HJ/MP1.

Hand 39: Open folded 92o from UTG+1

Hand 40: Folded 73o UTG.

Hand 41: Got a walk in the BB with J5s.

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Hands 36, 38, 39, and 40 are obvious folds.
Hard to believe any thinking player claims those
hands must be played.
Hand 41 is uninteresting.

Hands 1 and 2 could include a comment stating that
a weak ace should not be played in early positions.

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I agree they are obvious folds. I wonder why Chip didn't spend any time talking more in depth about the hands? Oh yeah. Because they are OBVIOUS. I really don't see what your complaint is. Including that he folded those hands in there makes the game seem more realistic and completes the article. Are they important? Not really. But they don't take up much room and really aren't in the way of anything. So who cares?

[jogsxyz]

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I agree they are obvious folds. I wonder why Chip didn't spend any time talking more in depth about the hands? Oh yeah. Because they are OBVIOUS. I really don't see what your complaint is. Including that he folded those hands in there makes the game seem more realistic and completes the article. Are they important? Not really. But they don't take up much room and really aren't in the way of anything. So who cares?

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It's like threads on hands. Newbies cut and paste the entire hand history. No one cares that each player anted. Experienced posters used hand converters.
I thought there should have been comments with the folds on hands 1 and 2. There are many inexperienced players who think ace small is playable from any position.

[Banzai]

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Hand 41 is uninteresting.



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I disagree, getting a walk (twice) in a turbo SnG tells you quite a bit about the Button and the SB and it was worth including.

I don't think there's a need to mention Hero's hole cards unless there is any discussion about what action he would take if he faced a raise, shove etc.

[Pondicherry]

I am a relatively new player and found the complete hand history useful. At the risk of asking a stupid quation, why is the seat progression back to front?