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Old 06-07-2007, 11:18 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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Results?

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i shoved (intention behind it was a bluff) and taylor timed down and called with JJ

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Sucks that he had to have the exact hand to let you know your bluff was no good.

This spot really sucks. First instinct was to call turn/fold river.. but that's awful because he'll probably bet the river with anything he bets the turn with except probly check/call JJ/QQ.

Shove is a cool idea, but hard to argue for it after seeing the actual results.

So it's between call/call and call/fold IMHO. Really depends on his preflop range a lot cause some guys have a 4 or JJ+ way more often than others here. I think it's probly just a fold.
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Old 06-07-2007, 11:34 AM
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I have no idea of what everyone (even Krantz) is smoking when they call this push a bluff/intended it to be a bluff.

There is 0% chance that ANY better hand ever folds here (which still doesn't mean the push is bad, for other reasons), how can you guys not see that?
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:21 PM
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I have no idea of what everyone (even Krantz) is smoking when they call this push a bluff/intended it to be a bluff.

There is 0% chance that ANY better hand ever folds here (which still doesn't mean the push is bad, for other reasons), how can you guys not see that?

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You don't think JJ is a tough call here?
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Old 06-07-2007, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

No.
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Old 06-07-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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Me neither.
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Old 06-07-2007, 08:21 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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I have no idea of what everyone (even Krantz) is smoking when they call this push a bluff/intended it to be a bluff.

There is 0% chance that ANY better hand ever folds here (which still doesn't mean the push is bad, for other reasons), how can you guys not see that?

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You don't think JJ is a tough call here?

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JJ is instacall w/ fistpumping here.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:14 PM
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I have no idea of what everyone (even Krantz) is smoking when they call this push a bluff/intended it to be a bluff.

There is 0% chance that ANY better hand ever folds here (which still doesn't mean the push is bad, for other reasons), how can you guys not see that?

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You don't think JJ is a tough call here?

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If Taylor is betting JJ, it very likely is because he expects that he can profitably call a push.
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Old 06-07-2007, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

guys,

pushing as a bluff here is pretty goofy since you should never have a king.
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