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Old 06-03-2007, 05:35 PM
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Not in a million years.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:38 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this
can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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naw, but i think his turn bet is slightly less likely to be jj qq now...

Still, I don't think you should fold, I think his range includes a lot of bluffs-- though this is just conjecture, never played w/ taylor.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:41 PM
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what do we like then? shove? call/fold river? call/call river?

fold?
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:42 PM
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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:42 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this
can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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naw, but i think his turn bet is slightly less likely to be jj qq now...

Still, I don't think you should fold, I think his range includes a lot of bluffs-- though this is just conjecture, never played w/ taylor.

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i don't agree that his turn bet doesn't look like JJ/QQ

i think it looks just as much like that as anything else. he probably CR bluffs this board since it's so dry and your c-bet% is prob high on it. i definitely think he's capable of going turn and river for value with QQ/JJ, i have no idea why he wouldnt actually. if his CR is a bluff a high %, we're calling with a T a lot (or other pairs, sometimes peeling the turn obv) and i think he shoul dbe pounding QQ/JJ for value continuously- if i CRed QQ/JJ on this flop, i'd probably bet turn and shove river on any river except a T..
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:44 PM
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what do we like then? shove? call/fold river? call/call river?

fold?

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i prob call turn fold river

that sounds kind of weak- i'd go call/call if i had some kind of experience that he was definitely capable and enjoyed CRing and firing two more barrels; but some people don't do it with much frequency (really have no idea about his habits and have no hands with him)
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:44 PM
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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned

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what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned

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what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ

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if he has those particular hands, yes.
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Old 06-03-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 TPTK vs tay

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imo if we are beat on flop it's more likely to be AA and not 4x.

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agree, JJ+ seems quite likely

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agree w this

can i move him off JJ-QQ with a shove?

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if his range is this vague that we're valuebluffing to ensure a showdown, we're getting owned

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what are you talking about its a straight bluff if he has JJ-QQ

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no way is it a bluff if he has QQ or JJ. Theres no chance of you folding a better hand than QQ to this action, and you shouldnt.
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:07 PM
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Have you been tight utg? If he's observant, that could mean a lot for his range.
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