M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread

[MyTurn2Raise]

LESSON 1A: The Limp Resteal

This ties in with the initial resteal lesson and is much more valuable at fullring but occassionally comes up at 6max.

Alot of this comes from the Slotboom method for shortstacking PLO that he mentioned in his book, Secrets of Professional Pot Limit Holdem. Also of note is a recent Diebitter observation in a thread in this forum (sorry--no linky--just recall from memory) that many shortstackers at fullring seem to be limping mid pairs and Ace-big hands upfront to push over a late position raise.

Often, you'll be upfront in a game and there will be an aggressive limper/blind stealer left to act after you, especially at higher limits. Here, you can take a chance of limping and hoping to have the opportunity to shove over that late aggressor's likely light raise.

One, even with a shortstack, it's not fun to play pots OOP.

Two, a raise from you upfront will make it less likely for a late aggressor to reraise as he should know you are pot-committed with an awful large range of your initial raising range.

Three, the math is very similar and you should already have some good training.

Four, in fullring games you often gain the benefit of additional dead money with limpers inbetween you and the light raiser and/or a weak blind call of the late position raiser.

[Makonnen]

Isn't shortstacking specifically dependent on LAG opponents? If so, this is just another turn of the screw in the development of the game, and I wonder if part of the discussion of PFR in Renton's thread comes into play: that is, does the presence of shortstacking mean that limpylimpy becomes a more crucial part of the game?

Also, LOL at the ChickenLittleSkyIsFallingDon'tRevealTheSecret content.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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Isn't shortstacking specifically dependent on LAG opponents? If so, this is just another turn of the screw in the development of the game, and I wonder if part of the discussion of PFR in Renton's thread comes into play: that is, does the presence of shortstacking mean that limpylimpy becomes a more crucial part of the game?

Also, LOL at the ChickenLittleSkyIsFallingDon'tRevealTheSecret content.

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if someone isn't blind stealing 30% of the time, it better be because a competent shortstacker is in one of the blinds

it's more than LAGs, it hurts aggressive poker in general because they lose at the game of chicken

[CalledDownLight]

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MT2R: You're a [censored] idiot. I'm sick of you idiots posting info about shortstacking to try and get attention. You're not good. You're not cool. You're probably not even a winning shortstacker at decent limits. Shut. the. [censored]. up.

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Okay, Kurosh can take a day off to cool his boots.

Next one gets 2 days, and so on and so forth.

db

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why is this banworthy?

[Makonnen]

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if someone isn't blind stealing 30% of the time, it better be because a competent shortstacker is in one of the blinds.

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But that shouldn't be a source of fear. In fact, it should be pretty exploitable, since the SS range is absolutely predictable, right?

This is part of the evolution where I think FR players do have an edge: SS don't have a lot of room for error in their play--if they deviate much at all from the strict math, the pendulum swings back. So, if you know someone is a skilled SS, you should be able to figure out their range almost exactly, and given the amount of $ that will be in the pot once they shove back over you, your calling range isn't all that thin, no?

[carol-ann]

just complain to your sites you play at about shortstacking

write them e-mails, explain how they ruin the enjoyment of the game for both regulars and fish

threaten to take your business elsewhere

[1p0kerboy]

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MT2R: You're a [censored] idiot. I'm sick of you idiots posting info about shortstacking to try and get attention. You're not good. You're not cool. You're probably not even a winning shortstacker at decent limits. Shut. the. [censored]. up.

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Okay, Kurosh can take a day off to cool his boots.

Next one gets 2 days, and so on and so forth.

db

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why is this banworthy?

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You're joking, right?

[MyTurn2Raise]

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MT2R: You're a [censored] idiot. I'm sick of you idiots posting info about shortstacking to try and get attention. You're not good. You're not cool. You're probably not even a winning shortstacker at decent limits. Shut. the. [censored]. up.

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Okay, Kurosh can take a day off to cool his boots.

Next one gets 2 days, and so on and so forth.

db

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why is this banworthy?

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mainly because it is massive trolling IMO

he's a shorstacker who I datamined to learn many things and once claimed he could ruin online poker by posting his guide to shortstacking yet calls out another poster for being an attention whore because that poster is actually sharing information

my guess is he thinks his bucket is being stolen, but I don't want this thread to devolve into personal attacks now that information is actually coming out. So, I apologize and really have no idea why Kurosh is so against my posts.

[1p0kerboy]

Questions for the teacher:

If we're constantly limp/pushing with our 20bb stack, isn't the LAG going to pick up on this and not raise when we enter the pot?

Are we ever limp/folding? If so, what kind of situations are we doing it in and with what hands?

On a personal note, why did you stop shortstacking?

EDIT: One more. Do you reload back to 20bb if you fall below? If not, why not?

[Ulkis]

I hope this thread gets locked soon.