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Old 11-19-2007, 12:33 AM
Pudge714 Pudge714 is offline
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Default Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

Poker Stars, $200 + $15 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: 5,895
UTG+1: 14,465
UTG+2: 7,680
MP1: 1,778
MP2: 5,015
CO: 2,314
BTN: 7,335
SB: 9,266
Hero (BB): 18,375

Pre-Flop: (390) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 800</font>, 6 folds, Hero calls 600

Flop: (1,790) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets 2,200</font>, Hero calls 2,200

Turn: (6,190) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+1 bets 5,000</font>, Hero folds

Results: 6,190 Pot (6,190 Rake]
Villain is a complete unknown I just moved to the table he bet both streets quickly.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:41 AM
J.A.K. J.A.K. is offline
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

Good fold. If he bluff overbets then bluff values against another bigstack...he can have it. Otherwise, you're toast.
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:42 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

i fold the flop always
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Old 11-19-2007, 12:55 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

What makes this a fold here Bakes? Is it the bet-sizing (4x pre, &gt;pot flop) that's raising alarms? (Honest question, I'm fairly new at this.) What sort of bets are you calling or raising on that flop? (Is it ever a good idea to check-call an under-flop with TT, considering how many bad turn cards there are?)
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Old 11-19-2007, 01:57 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

I like ur line here. His preflop range is 88-AA, AJ-up. Against unknown his cont bet doesn't narrow his range at all and as unpaired hands are statistically more likely than pairs, ur still ahead a lot here. His double barrel though tells u that he either has a set or an over pair. He's not betting their w/ any pair that u beat or paint often enough for this call to be profitable.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

FWIW I think flop fold is fine, he rarely checks the turn, and I rarely improve, but it feels so dirty.
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

u think he's double barreling a lot w/ his 2 paint cards?
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Old 11-19-2007, 02:16 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

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i fold the flop always

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I agree. overbets after 4x raises = bad.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:21 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

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I like ur line here. His preflop range is 88-AA, AJ-up. Against unknown his cont bet doesn't narrow his range at all and as unpaired hands are statistically more likely than pairs, ur still ahead a lot here.

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So why not raise the flop?

I'm in the C/F to that bet camp, I'm just wondering. Against 88+/AJ+, TTs gotta C/R that flop, no?
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Old 11-19-2007, 04:22 AM
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Default Re: Second Chance I thought OP\'s were the nuts.

Is the converter screwed up? Or did he actually overpot flop.
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