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Old 11-15-2007, 11:38 AM
HighCardSeven HighCardSeven is offline
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Default NL25 KK

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($26.85)
Button ($13.90)
SB ($16)
BB ($24.30)
Hero ($29)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $11.

Flop: ($28.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero ???

MP was 45/28 after 29 hands. I cant believe that he calls my 4bet preflop. Without an ace I would push every flop. But the flop scared me because of the Ace and I think if I push only better hands will call. What should I do? Check/Call to induce a bluff? Check/fold is to weak, right? Or just push allin without a second thought?
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:40 AM
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Default Re: NL25 KK

You're pot committed with that raise. Push and pray, IMO.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:42 AM
herbstl herbstl is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK

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You're pot committed with that raise. Push and pray, IMO.

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Old 11-15-2007, 11:42 AM
FreddyT87 FreddyT87 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK

You can not check/call to induce a bluff. If either villain or hero is betting, he is committed. The only hand you're afraid of here is AK. I lead this flop All-In. But I'd push all-in preflop as well, because you're committed if you're 4-bet is called anyways.
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Old 11-15-2007, 11:47 AM
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You're pot committed with that raise. Push and pray, IMO.

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Old 11-15-2007, 12:04 PM
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Uh, why not just check/call or push turn if it checks through. You're either way ahead or way behind... and if you push flop he's probably folding all the hands you beat (JJ/QQ) and calling with AK/AQ (assuming he calls your big raise pf w/AQ). If you check he may push with the hands you beat and if he checks through and you push turn he may look you up thinking you're bluffing.
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:11 PM
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he's probably folding all the hands you beat (JJ/QQ)

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Yeah but you're not getting any more money out of these hands anyway, he never pushes with those hands on the flop either
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:11 PM
aaharty aaharty is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK

definitely agree with milky, one of your main aims is to make your opponents make mistakes..by pushing you don't allow him to make the mistake (by pushing worse hands) whereas the check allows him this chance..(kinda a rehash of milkys post but didnt wanna just say 'i agree')
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:12 PM
aaharty aaharty is offline
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Yeah but you're not getting any more money out of these hands anyway, he never pushes with those hands on the flop either

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you really dont think at NL25 JJ/QQ pushes this flop??
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:12 PM
FreddyT87 FreddyT87 is offline
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Default Re: NL25 KK

you check the flop, he checks behind. a heart comes up. what do you do?
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