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Old 12-01-2007, 12:45 AM
AGame18 AGame18 is offline
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Default Re: Random Preflop Frequencies Question

Matt,

I literally am 50/50 in this situation. There are some players who with this stack size will never fold after raising 4x, and others who will fold pre to a reraise but never fold the flop if they get any piece and always cbet if they are able to. With no reads, I will call half the time and rr the other half, simple as that.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:46 AM
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:52 AM
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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:58 AM
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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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Old 12-01-2007, 07:37 AM
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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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yea, i'd wager that given his stack and pf raise you're getting it all a lot more often if you re-pop here than flatting
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:12 PM
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i don't understand the assumption "well, he 4x'd, therefore he is gonna stack off almost always" - on what basis do you guys make this assumption? i would expect villain to fold to our raise at least 75% of the time if not more - am i way off? seems like i used the thinking "well he's 4xing it he is def coming along for his whole stack" about 3 months ago, never got any action when i reraised 4xers, and completely abandoned that line of thinking
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:29 PM
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just make it 360 he'll stack off with most hands he is x4 raising here.

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Just reraise preflop. I don't know if villain stacks off, but he almost always calls the reraise when he 4xs it. You need to reraise and build the pot.
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:38 PM
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Just reraise preflop. I don't know if villain stacks off, but he almost always calls the reraise when he 4xs it. You need to reraise and build the pot.

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what's the point of building the pot? villain has ~5 PSBs left with three streets of action left, i don't see "building the pot" as a valid reason to reraise
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Random Preflop Frequencies Question

I reraise here even though it's higher variance because it makes the hand a lot easier to play. If he shoves, yay! If he even just calls and then checks the flop, I think we are bet/calling a shove on any flop except maybe KQJ. However if we call behind, raise his flop bet and then he shoves, we are put in a tough spot because we haven't defined our hand very well.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:59 AM
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Default Re: Random Preflop Frequencies Question

Your friend has a bad understanding of poker, saying that reraising is flat out bad is simply ridiculous. If you wanna call be my guest, but reraising is obviously completely fine and standard and it's what I would do the LARGE majority of the time against a typical random opponent.
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