At least I'm getting the low.

[Unknown Soldier]

Stack sizes:
UTG: $1.000.80
US: $406.40
SB: $390.00
BB: $400.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) US is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">US raises to $18</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($58, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">US bets $40</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($138, 2 players)
UTG checks, US checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($138, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $200</font>, US??


no reads on main villain, one of my 1st hands at the table. Other guy is taggish i think. Villain's limp/call would suggest he's at least somewhat donkish.

I don't think there's anything to discuss really, just want your general opinion. Here are the only reasons for your choice imo.


fold: he has a FH/better straight too often

call: he has an overplayed 3/other random hand (AA etc). some of the time, but we are still behind his range.

shove: same as call, but we are ahead of his range.


if you have anything to add to that, please do o/w just vote, thanks [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ofishstix]

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call: he has an overplayed 3/other random hand (AA etc). some of the time, but we are still behind his range.

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i dont think we're behind his range for betting but that we are behind his range for calling a shove.

[Unknown Soldier]

im pretty sure his betting range = calling range except for a really small amount of the time where he's bluffing. which is pretty much never imo

[terp]

two things are key here:
1) you say his betting range = calling range. i can agree with this
2) we need to be good 50% to raise while with the initial call we are looking at 1.7:1 or 42% equity to just call.

&lt;42% equity: fold
42%-50%: call
&gt;50%: shove

i think 3x is basically his threshold hand to make this play and i think we'll see the overbet more with the higher end of his range. thus i would probably fold 3x, call with A2, probably shove 67 and obv shove all boats+

[Bramsterdam]

If his betting range = his calling range, then we should either fold (when behind) or push (when ahead).

I think we're ahead of his betting range, so if your assumption about betting range=calling range is right, we have to push

[terp]

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If his betting range = his calling range, then we should either fold (when behind) or push (when ahead).

I think we're ahead of his betting range, so if your assumption about betting range=calling range is right, we have to push

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it's not that simple; see above

[nazahl]

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two things are key here:
1) you say his betting range = calling range. i can agree with this
2) we need to be good 50% to raise while with the initial call we are looking at 1.7:1 or 42% equity to just call.

&lt;42% equity: fold
42%-50%: call
&gt;50%: shove

i think 3x is basically his threshold hand to make this play and i think we'll see the overbet more with the higher end of his range. thus i would probably fold 3x, call with A2, probably shove 67 and obv shove all boats+

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this is a very good post

[Nick Royale]

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im pretty sure his betting range = calling range except for a really small amount of the time where he's bluffing. which is pretty much never imo

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If you think this is true it's a fold, 99/55/44/33&gt;&gt;&gt;3x imo. There's 2 combos of Axs, how many limp/call 3x utg? There's 10 combos of FHs/quads, all of them likely to play this way. He's def more likely to overbet a FH on the river.

[ciro bonano]

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im pretty sure his betting range = calling range except for a really small amount of the time where he's bluffing. which is pretty much never imo

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Why can't he have some A3 hand, missed the turn c/r and now overbets/fold the river? Do you think he's not betting or not folding?

[startrak]

i dont think he expects you to fold, that said he prolly views your hand as a marginal 2 pair hand at best and could be doing this with worse. I dont think villain can have that many 3s and couple of those, maybe ~4 combos, also have a FH here. nor do i think he can have 99, but even 5s full is possible. agree with nick royale that the overbet is much more likely to be a FH than 67 and worse. it's only 4 handed so your range for calling should be a little wider. I would think it's about neutural EV to call here, maybe youll lose slightly, and I would never shove.

also, timing tells can be important, when donks insta bet big on river it's usually a missed turn c/r.