chopsticks, fried rice, white people

[MC Chris]

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i'm not trolling man, can you just answer this?

when you said:

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Thai food is meat based not rice based fwiw, rice dishes are only there b/c many people don't eat traditional Thai.

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did you mean to imply that rice dishes != traditional thai?

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[El Diablo]

darko,

"I still see fried rice on Thai menu's a lot though, you can link me to menu's that don't have it and that is fine but I can link you all day to menus that do--doesn't prove anything."

Since I linked to 3 of 4 menus that had fried rice on the menu, I'm obviously not arguing against your point. We both agree that fried rice is on lots of thai menus, but is not ordered more than other entrees.

OK, enough on that point, we agree.

OK, so the next point is why when you said "rice dishes are only there b/c many people don't eat traditional Thai." I assumed you were talking about whitey eating fried rice.

This thread is about how white people are treated at Asian places in America, so it's obvious why "many people" in that context was interpreted as "white people" or more generally "Americans." Unless you were talking about Asians, then "many people" in there refers to white people, who else?

You said that "Actual Thai dishes are less popular than what is actually ordered, the red and green curry dishes and the dishes heavy in coconut milk aren't ordered nearly as often as rice dishes"

I know you've retracted ("I know I was wrong about my comment about fried rice being consumed more than the rest of the menu.") that statement now, but when you made it you weren't talking about just young people, otherwise the initial statement wouldn't have made sense.

So, anyway, that's the answer as to why I and others got that impression from your posts. You seemed to be making two separate points:

1) Kids at American Thai restaurants eat fried rice more than other Thai food
2) Patrons of American Thai restaurants eat fried rice more than other Thai food

That's why I got the impression I did. How could it make sense to say that "fried rice being consumed more than the rest of the menu" in American restaurants if you're talking just about kids? No, of course you must have been talking about whitey in general!

[tdarko]

El D,

Just got back from work.

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This thread is about how white people are treated at Asian places in America, so it's obvious why "many people" in that context was interpreted as "white people" or more generally "Americans." Unless you were talking about Asians, then "many people" in there refers to white people, who else?

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At this point I wasn't even thinking about the thread topic anymore, the thread had been hi-jacked so badly that "white people" being in the title never even crossed my mind.

The rest of your post basically goes on to talk about my one comment about "patrons of American Thai restaurants eat fried rice more than other Thai food" which once I realized what I had said was wrong and didn't make sense I retracted--you know that I retracted yet you keep bringing it up. I am not understanding why. Just forget about the "how much consumed" part of the menu--most of this thread and this goofy last page in my mind has been about me trying to get across that fried rice is on the menu to target a certain demographic--this demographic is an age not a gender. Is that wrong? I don't believe it is.

Also, on the road today I talked to a close friend who for the last 3 years--every offseason (professional baseball player) he lives in Thailand and teaches English as a second language. I asked him about this:

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BTW, this from BeerMoney, who I think lives in Thailand: "Fried rice is very much a stand alone meal in Thailand."

And from KKF: "So, fried rice (which I will define as white rice fried in a pan with oil and seasoning and a small amount of meat) is considered a stand alone meal."

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He said fried rice is hardly ever if ever eaten as a stand alone dish unless you are the poorest of the poor and for some background he said his province's avg annual income in American money was 1K so not a wealthy community--and even in his province it was rare. He said in Thailand eating is a BIG deal, tons of plates on the table and everyone eats off of each dish. He said fried rice is a side dish that goes w/ the meat. He said his 3 years in 3 different areas have all had the same experience as far as food, he also said what KKF was saying earlier in this thread that the food is much much different.

[MC Chris]

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most of this thread and this goofy last page in my mind has been about me trying to get across that fried rice is on the menu to target a certain demographic--this demographic is an age not a gender. Is that wrong? I don't believe it is.

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of course it is wrong and there is much proof! you will never give it up though, simply because your siblings ordered it when you went out to chinese restaurants, until they were 14 that is, when they becames "brave enough" to try other dishes.

[tdarko]

Chris,

El D's post time- 04:47 PM
My response time- 10:37 PM
Your response time to my post-10:39 PM

Wow, get away from the computer and maybe you won't be so wound up--what are you just waiting for that thread to be bumped so you can troll a post not directed at you?

Haha, you sir are a weird guy.

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

i think your friend was referring exclusively to dinner. dinner is usually multiple dishes served family style. fried rice is typically eaten for breakfast or lunch.

[El Diablo]

td,

"I retracted yet you keep bringing it up. I am not understanding why. I am not understanding why."

You seemed surprised that I got the impression I did, so I explained why I got it it, that's all. I brought that point up because to me it showed that when you were initially talking about fried rice eating, you were making that statement in the context of all patrons of the restaurant, not any specific demographic. You later clarified your revised opinions clearly.

My experience is that people of all ages eat fried rice, but I have no idea whether young people eat fried rice more than older people. I've never been much of a fried rice guy, for stuff like that I generally prefer noodle dishes over rice dishes.

[MC Chris]

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Chris,

El D's post time- 04:47 PM
My response time- 10:37 PM
Your response time to my post-10:39 PM

Wow, get away from the computer and maybe you won't be so wound up--what are you just waiting for that thread to be bumped so you can troll a post not directed at you?

Haha, you sir are a weird guy.

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sorry, i work on the internet. that's cool how you don't want to address any issues though.

[tdarko]

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sorry, i work on the internet. that's cool how you don't want to address any issues though.

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Actually, I am addressing every issue just not w/ you...so let's get the hint.

[BeerMoney]

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Also, on the road today I talked to a close friend who for the last 3 years--every offseason (professional baseball player) he lives in Thailand and teaches English as a second language. I asked him about this:

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BTW, this from BeerMoney, who I think lives in Thailand: "Fried rice is very much a stand alone meal in Thailand."

And from KKF: "So, fried rice (which I will define as white rice fried in a pan with oil and seasoning and a small amount of meat) is considered a stand alone meal."

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He said fried rice is hardly ever if ever eaten as a stand alone dish unless you are the poorest of the poor and for some background he said his province's avg annual income in American money was 1K so not a wealthy community--and even in his province it was rare. He said in Thailand eating is a BIG deal, tons of plates on the table and everyone eats off of each dish. He said fried rice is a side dish that goes w/ the meat. He said his 3 years in 3 different areas have all had the same experience as far as food, he also said what KKF was saying earlier in this thread that the food is much much different.

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Your friend is very much wrong wrt "food of the poor". Most meals/dishes in Thailand cost the exact same amount: 20 baht. Pad see ew, pad thai, kapaow gai, gwai diao, etc are all the same price... Fried rice is not the food of the poor. My wife is thai, and has fried rice quite often. Most places include a healthy portion of meat with it, so it truly fills you up. I'd be willing to believe the fried rice dishes in a America suck in comparison to the ones here.

Your friend is somewhat right in the sense of people going out for a big meal with friends, but even then, seafood fried rice, or something a little fancier will probably be ordered.

In fact a woman down the road makes primarily fried rice, and has a steady flow of traffic throughout the day.

Nevertheless, i need to try more stuff [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

One more thing, the fried rice is not there to "go with the meat." It usually includes the meat. I prefer pork.