$16 - JJ, early donkfest

IFoldPktOnes · #1 11-21-2007, 07:10 AM

The $16s sure have dried up, everyone is so tight these days...

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t800)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t2030)
MP3 (t1440)
CO (t1490)
Button (t1820)
SB (t1420)
BB (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero raises to t100, UTG+1 calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t100, MP3 folds, CO calls t100, Button calls t100, SB raises to t800, BB folds, Hero?

RexWoo · #2 11-21-2007, 07:15 AM

There is so much dead money here that I like a push except if you know and respect SB.

sence25 · #3 11-21-2007, 07:15 AM

with this much money in the pot I have a hard time folding..

Draidin · #4 11-21-2007, 07:53 AM

yeah a lot of money in the pot, but you are beat or in a coin flip with AK etc...

mattiesmat · #5 11-21-2007, 10:03 AM

I push this probably and expect to be called by 3 people and suck out.

TruFloridaGator · #6 11-21-2007, 10:05 AM

Sharkscope him up. Some weird advice. Unless he sucks he isn't doing this with much we're beating.

Rex, why would you shove if you know & respect him? Seems counterintuitive.

RexWoo · #7 11-21-2007, 10:16 AM

Didn't I tell the exact opposite ? I guess my english is not so good if I did not.

TruFloridaGator · #8 11-21-2007, 10:17 AM

Nah, I misread. My fault. Sorry.

Fiasco · #9 11-21-2007, 03:30 PM

Id think youd need to put him on a really broad range for this push to be anywhere near +EV. Can anybody who is better at the softwares (maybe SNG wiz? Ive never used it) comment on how wide his range needs to be for us to push? My guess is that unless hes doing this with 88+ and AT+ we cant call, and very very few people are doing that.

DannyOcean_ · #10 11-21-2007, 04:36 PM

I've sharkscoped people in situations like this. It was like two limpers, and a raiser at around 25/50 level, and then it got 3bet pf by a guy who had tight, aggressive stats on PAHUD. I had AK. I sharked him and he had a 9% ROI. I folded AK happily, because if you can confirm the 3bettor is a winning TAG, he's not 3betting here without like AK, JJ+. In your case, if SB is a tight winner, you can pretty easily muck this imo. If you shark him and he's a donk, poosh all day.