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Old 03-05-2007, 03:04 AM
13_Xerxes 13_Xerxes is offline
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Default [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

Villain is a little loose about 90 hands : 30/14/4. He limps from MP, I raise AA PF, he calls, then lead the flop. I raise the flop, and he overbets me...

Is it a fold or a call ?

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Hero ($209.70)
SB ($191)
BB ($303.55)
UTG ($71.70)
MP ($290.05)
CO ($238.90)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls $8.

Flop: ($23) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $280.05</font>, Hero ???
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

Against a reasonable range of sets/draws and top-two, you might have a very marginal, super high variance call. If you believe he does this with made hands more often than draws, then you've got yourself a fold. With that said, I would just fold. At best, you're going to be up against some big draw and I expect to see TT/22 here most of the time.
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:02 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

Well these days this will be a combo draw a lot more than something that is currently beating you. QhXh, KhJh, Jh9h, 8h9h. How often is this guy going to show up with QTs? If the answer is not that much then the only made hand you're worried about is 222 (which would certainly play like this, but might open from the CO). I think I'd call. If it were rainbow it'd be an easy fold. But these b/3b ai moves are usually huge draws these days.
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:05 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

Looks like a big draw to me. Id call and embrace the variance. Sooo many stong draws out there. J9 KJ, Any two hearts with a 10.
I dont think 1010 is in his limping range if he raises 14% of the time. I call and expect to see a draw or sometimes 22.
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:25 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

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Looks like a big draw to me. Id call and embrace the variance. Sooo many stong draws out there. J9 KJ, Any two hearts with a 10.
I dont think 1010 is in his limping range if he raises 14% of the time. I call and expect to see a draw or sometimes 22.

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I also raise more on the flop, min-raise-and-a-half is bad on such a wet flop.
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:27 AM
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Looks like a big draw to me. Id call and embrace the variance. Sooo many stong draws out there. J9 KJ, Any two hearts with a 10.
I dont think 1010 is in his limping range if he raises 14% of the time. I call and expect to see a draw or sometimes 22.

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I also raise more on the flop, min-raise-and-a-half is bad on such a wet flop.

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QFT
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Old 03-05-2007, 05:46 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

Call- villain will probably have AQs and/or flush draw most of the time. I would think that villain would have raised with QQ, TT; although he could have limped with Q10s. Even up against 2 pair we have some outs (not alot).
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Old 03-05-2007, 06:41 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

i call. the only hand i would expect to be behind is 22, and i dont think sets always push here (they might make it like 120 fairly often) whereas combo draws always push.

you also have 2 of the cards in your hand that villain may be drawing at thinking are clean outs - hands like AXhh and KJhh you have a signifigant edge over.

throw in the small % of time he plays AQ/KQ or KK this way and i think it leans even a little more to a call.
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Old 03-05-2007, 10:47 AM
13_Xerxes 13_Xerxes is offline
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

I call and he showed QTs. The turn was an other Q, so I lose my 100 BB.
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Old 03-05-2007, 11:20 AM
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Default Re: [NL200] AA vs 3 flop-bet all-in (wet flop)

looks like a fold.

as has been said before,
this is often a big combo draw, and when not, isn't a bluff that often.
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