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Old 11-27-2007, 11:53 PM
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I left out the signs because they become +1 in the end. The (-1)^n from the -4 and the (-1)^n from the -1/2 join forces to become (-1)^2n = +1.

So there really aren't any sign errors, in that the result is correct. I was just lazy with the typing. Technically the first term should be (-4)^n*(-1/2 choose n).

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No. (-1)^n (r choose n) does not equal (-r choose n). You can figure out what it does equal.

You are right that the first term should be (-4)^n*(-1/2 choose n).

You essentially got the solution I was thinking of. I was interested if there were any other approaches.
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Old 11-28-2007, 11:01 PM
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Has anyone thought of a combinatorial solution to this ?
I have tried and failed .

We wish to prove :

2nCn + 2c1*(2n-2)C(n-1) + 4c2*(2n-4)C(n-2) + ...+ 2nCn = 4^n
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Old 11-29-2007, 04:41 PM
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Has anyone thought of a combinatorial solution to this ?
I have tried and failed .

We wish to prove :

2nCn + 2c1*(2n-2)C(n-1) + 4c2*(2n-4)C(n-2) + ...+ 2nCn = 4^n

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I don't know of one. I was thinking of the generating function method. But it would be interesting to know.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:12 PM
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you may find the discussion here interesting

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/F...00&t=40150
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:51 PM
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you may find the discussion here interesting

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/F...00&t=40150

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link didn't work
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:09 PM
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Here is a neat combinatorial argument .

Start from the origin and consider taking 2n steps on the lattice points of the line y=x or y=-x . Clearly the total number of paths is 2^(2n) . The number of ways of reaching the point (2n,0) is 2nCn . It is also true that the number of paths that do not intersect the x-axis is 2nCn . Since we can reflect all subsequent paths after the first step in the line y=1 or -1 to produce a bijection of paths that do not intersect the x-axis .

Consider the last path that intersects the x-axis at the points (2k,0) . The number of paths is 2kCk . Therefore we require the last (2n-2k) to be above or below the x-axis . The total number of ways is equal to the number of ways of reaching the point (2n,0) which is just (2n-2k)C(n-k) . Now sum over everything and we get our identity .
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:49 PM
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One important detail I left out .

We move in the direction up-right or down-right .
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Old 12-01-2007, 01:22 AM
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you may find the discussion here interesting

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/F...00&t=40150

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link didn't work

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Nevermind, I tried it again and it worked this time (my crappy connection). Obviously this is an old maths problem as I suspected.

Hey blah_blah, I don't suppose that you are blahblahblah on that site you link?
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Old 12-01-2007, 02:47 AM
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Hey blah_blah, I don't suppose that you are blahblahblah on that site you link?

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one and the same
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