New Tysen Streib Book: Kill Everyone

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It's certainly not easy for Mason to comment on this book without hurting their own sales. 2+2 has just released a book on SnGs and a new edition of TPFAP after all. It's quite a dilemma.

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I'd say it would stick out if Mason didn't review this, considering he gave Kill Phil 10/10.

[Gallopin Gael]

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What part did Joe Hachem play in the writing of this book?

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The foreword.

[Doc T River]

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What part did Joe Hachem play in the writing of this book?

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The foreword.

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If this is true, I don't think Hachem deserves a writing credit. It would be like saying that Online Ace was by Scott Fischman and Phil Hellmuth Jr. since Phil wrote a foreward.

[Gallopin Gael]

he doesn't have a writing credit. the book clearly states that the foreword is by him, with Lee, Tysen and Kim being the primary authors.

Mark Vos didn't even make it on the cover.

[JLD]

Despite seeming like an unusual appendage to the book, I liked the 6-max chapter and thought it was helpful. Your explanation in your e-mail of its usefulness for deep-stacked 6-max tournaments was a better explanation than anything in the book for the inclusion of the chapter. If your going to change anything in the second edition I would highlight that reasoning for the inclusion of the 6-max section.

Separately, I really enjoyed the book overall and enjoyed the mix between your practical observations on the state of tournaments and current playing styles along with Tysen's mathmatical analysis.

While the advice on page 251 was very helpful in terms of dealing with the hyper-lags I would have appreciated more suggestions on good spots to gamble against the aggressive players beyond pushing with a wider range pre-flop or flopping two pair or better (i.e. is TPGK on uncoordinated flops good enough to get your stack in sometimes against these players? when?)

I would also love Tysen to write more about whatever he wants in poker but specifically more about cash games where I spend more of my time. His two plus two article on continuation betting is still one of my favorite writings on poker and I would love to see more like that. I wonder if he could do similar analysis on hand historys for cash games that he has done for tournaments. Specifically, I think it would be very interesting to see if he could analyze how playing styles (loose, aggressive, tight) relate to betting patterns (bet out flush draws, check-raise bluff, only check-raise with the nuts, etc.)

[Doc T River]

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he doesn't have a writing credit. the book clearly states that the foreword is by him, with Lee, Tysen and Kim being the primary authors.

Mark Vos didn't even make it on the cover.

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The book cover may make that clear, but there are some places I have seen it listed on the web that make it seem like Hachem helped in the writing. By this I mean, the listing will say Kill Everyone by....and Hachem will be listed like an author.

[ephemeral]

Thank you all for your replies on Kill Everyone and the Mark Vos chapter. Mark's chapter provides useful expert insights into 6-max cash game play which is becoming increasingly popular and about which precious little has been written. It's billed as a bonus chapter which is exactly what it is. Kill Everyone would have been 323 pages long without Mark's 25 page chapter so it certainly wasn't used to fill pages. The chapter is solid, and it relates well to deep-stack play in 6-max tournaments which also seem to be rising in popularity although some casinos hate to spread them because they use up a lot of tables. There is a 6-max NLHE tournament each year at the Aussie Millions including the upcoming one in January 2008.
It seems to be virtually a concensus universalis of those that have responded that the chapter should survive on re-print. We'll tie it in a bit better to deep-stack 6-max tournament play for continuity for tournament players, but short-handed cash game players have provided positive feedback about the chapter as well. Hopefully Mason, for whom we have great respect, won't ding us too badly for it's inclusion when he finds the time to review the book.

As for playing against hyperlags as questioned above by JLD, it's not easy and close to impossible without often taking stack-threatening risks. You have to put them on a range of hands and act accordingly based on your perception of their range which is often quite wide. The charts on page 72-73 of Kill Everyone provide an unexploitable re-steal strategy at varying CSIs(m)based on an opponents presumed range.

Yes, JLD TP-decent kicker is often enough to get it all in versus a hyper-LAG who is in the majority of pots and doesn't stop firing hot or cold. I've pushed with TP after being check-raised on the flop by super-aggressive players on a number of occassions. In each instance they folded so I can't tell you what they had, but my guess is they had something such as second or third pair, or draws that were now getting the wrong price.

Thank you all again for your replies and kind words about Kill Everyone.

Regards,

Lee Nelson

[Jbrochu]

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His two plus two article on continuation betting is still one of my favorite writings on poker and I would love to see more like that.

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Does anybody know where I can find this?

[JackCase]

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The book cover may make that clear, but there are some places I have seen it listed on the web that make it seem like Hachem helped in the writing. By this I mean, the listing will say Kill Everyone by....and Hachem will be listed like an author.

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The Amazon listing for the book, which is in a format that is fairly standard for web listings, says:

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Kill Everyone: Advanced Strategies for No-limit Hold 'em Poker Tournaments and Sit-n-go's (Paperback)
by Lee Nelson (Author), Tysen Streib (Author), Kim Lee (Author), Joe Hachem (Foreword)

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I don't think they could have made it any clearer than that.

[trojanrabbit]

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Does anybody know where I can find this?

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I keep all my old articles I wrote for 2+2 Magazine here.

Tysen