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11-27-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
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[ QUOTE ] cp 30 with straddles 7 handed... straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop Ac Kh 5s i bet and he calls 8h i bet, he raises and i 3-bet... flame away [/ QUOTE ] you were there. will he give you AK here? [/ QUOTE ] Bob, I wasnt there but I know Shipit's image and also BrainBanana's read on him. Brain will never fold a hand worth showing down in this spot. 
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#2
11-27-2007, 03:04 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] cp 30 with straddles 7 handed... straddler is bananabrain and i'm in bb with 77, folds to my bb and i 3-bet and we see a flop Ac Kh 5s i bet and he calls 8h i bet, he raises and i 3-bet... flame away [/ QUOTE ] you were there. will he give you AK here? [/ QUOTE ] Bob, I wasnt there but I know Shipit's image and also BrainBanana's read on him. Brain will never fold a hand worth showing down in this spot. [/ QUOTE ] that is my impression as well. having a lagtardy image is fine if one knows when to apply it. this is not one of those times imo.
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#3
11-28-2007, 03:17 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
a few of the thoughts and background...
- i am laggy and brain knows it - brain raises the turn very often against me, with draws, air, and big made hands... i havent seen him do it with a marginal hand with showdown value thus far against me though... i figured he would fold an 8, 5, sometimes a bad king, and a flush draw that makes a pair on the river... the only big made hand that makes sense to me is 55, other hands pump it again preflop or raise the flop to see where they are... Q/J/T of hearts combo makes sense to me, i think a lot of his range is bottom pair or weak king trying to fsd someone help my thought process pls
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#4
11-28-2007, 03:22 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
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a few of the thoughts and background... - i am laggy and brain knows it [/ QUOTE ] this means he ain't folding anything ever so turning a hand with a touch of SD value into a bluff makes no sense. the end.
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#5
11-28-2007, 03:32 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
bob, i appreciate the input... the reason i changed my vote at the table, and what i am now considering is that he knows i am a thinking player and so may lay some of the winners down... but i think our history outweighs that fact...
so, if i am not 3-betting with given history etc, do we like a call down on given board getting 1:4 by the river?
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#6
11-28-2007, 03:42 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
i dont think he ever folds a hand that beats you (because he wouldnt raise an 8 on the turn) he probably either has a pretty good draw or else has you in trouble.
i think i would call and the probably call most rivers. folding the turn is probably not horrible either depending on his mood, how youve both been running, playing etc.
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#7
11-28-2007, 04:06 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
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bob, i appreciate the input... the reason i changed my vote at the table, and what i am now considering is that he knows i am a thinking player and so may lay some of the winners down... but i think our history outweighs that fact... so, if i am not 3-betting with given history etc, do we like a call down on given board getting 1:4 by the river? [/ QUOTE ] i know what you both had in this hand, so i can't make an impartial assessment. i can say, however, that this pot is way too big.
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#8
11-28-2007, 08:16 PM
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Re: good, bad. ugly
agreed with pot size statement, prior to this hand i thought my 3-bet folding equity was higher - for those not in the know, i 3-bet the turn was called and fired when the river was an offsuit ten, i was called and mhig
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