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Old 10-29-2007, 01:00 PM
fooz fooz is offline
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Default 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

Villain in CO is 22/20/1.8 after 250 hands.
Button is 19/15/7.8 after 300 hands.

My thinking with the Flop donk was that I could likely take it down with the best hand: otherwise I'm beat and I'm done with the hand. Thoughts?

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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $207
UTG+1: $196
CO: $360.30
Button: $198.90
SB: $479.05
BB: $108.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $8</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $24</font>, Button calls, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($75, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $48</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($219, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $77</font>, Button folds, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $77 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $219
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:06 PM
hotbacon hotbacon is offline
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

So you randomly wanted to turn QQ into a bluff?
Shove the turn, they just called on a drawy flop so you should be good here.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:09 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

yea i shove turn here
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

I would be tempted to bet more on flop even if I was 3 Bet PF, could as easily be AK to JJ.

If villain c-bets consistently I would prob check raise flop MOTN, if unsure I'd throw in a near pot sized donk bet. On turn I am leading the betting again, with an overpair to QQ he is surely raising your flop bet on a fairly decent drawing board, esp as your bet seemed a bit like a block bet for a flushing.

I wouldn't be unhappy to get my money in on the turn, but knowing my play, villain has 10 10.

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Old 10-29-2007, 01:13 PM
ycjason ycjason is offline
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

in 3 bet HU pot, I wouldn't really consider that board by all that drawy, I would probably just call with As/Ks or set here, but I am folding turn though.. crai
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

"randomly wanted to turn QQ into a bluff"

Not at all. I specifically said I was betting QQ on the Flop, because if it was good it would likely take it down. How do you interpret this as "turning it into a bluff"?
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

[ QUOTE ]
"randomly wanted to turn QQ into a bluff"

Not at all. I specifically said I was betting QQ on the Flop, because if it was good it would likely take it down. How do you interpret this as "turning it into a bluff"?

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Meaning that, since you decided to shut down if called, you could have made that same bet with ATC. And some may think (me, too) that your hand has more value than that.

I think the problem here is that Villain could call with a bunch of stuff on the flop that you beat, and there's not a good reason to shut down on the turn. Also, there are draws out there. Thus, a shove is fine here, both for value and protection.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:34 PM
tarheeljks tarheeljks is offline
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Default Re: 200NL: QQ getting 3bet and cc\'d preflop by tags

don't like the flop donk. why would you want give worse hands a chance to fold when they are likely to cbet?
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