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Old 11-29-2007, 07:41 PM
Copernicus Copernicus is offline
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Very patriotic! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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And easier to read then 4 or more layers of embedded quotes.

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Old 11-29-2007, 07:43 PM
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copernicus,

seriously, it really isn't. at least put some spaces/breaks between the colors - you don't need to break each post up into 37 quotes, but one large block of multicolored text is pretty hard to absorb.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:45 PM
The once and future king The once and future king is offline
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That type of posting makes my eyes bleed as well, but we're switching software on Sunday so we'll see if he continues to do it and if its still annoying. I never really wanted to moderate that anyway.

Copernicus, if you want us to read your posts, people are much less likely to if the post is hard to follow. The red text is hard to follow.

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Iron, when you were at school, what coulor pen did your teacher mark your work in? You catch my drift?
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:45 PM
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And using blue seems to be a much better color than red.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:46 PM
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copernicus,

seriously, it really isn't. at least put some spaces/breaks between the colors - you don't need to break each post up into 37 quotes, but one large block of multicolored text is pretty hard to absorb.

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coming from almost anyone but you Id ignore this, but I will break them up in the future. thanks for the Cardrunners videos, first rate.
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Old 11-29-2007, 07:47 PM
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copernicus,

seriously, it really isn't. at least put some spaces/breaks between the colors - you don't need to break each post up into 37 quotes, but one large block of multicolored text is pretty hard to absorb.

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coming from almost anyone but you Id ignore this, but I will break them up in the future. thanks for the Cardrunners videos, first rate.

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np. it's a style thing - people are used to [.quote] tags and it's hard to adjust when one guy's not using them.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:05 PM
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If you think that the SSA and the government are two separate entities, you are correct. Do you believe the Federal Government should be treated as an independent entity as the SSA? If so, why? They are controlled by the same people and funded in the same manner- taxes.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:43 PM
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Lets try one more time, TC, since (as opposed to Natedogg) you are actually thinking about these things instead of spouting rhetoric, we just arent communicating. The disconnect seems to be your aggregation of the actions of different branches of the government, so lets expand the personal analogy.

You have $50,000 in the bank earning $250 interest a month, you have $200,000 in your 401(k) plan which you are no longer contributing to and its bond investments are earning 5% a year because youre an extremely conservative investor, and you have utility bonds worth $25k that are throwing off coupon payments of $250 a month...and you are married to a non-working wife who keeps the house clean, helps the kids with homework, and has (ahem) other benefits. She has a funny name too...Congress (pun intended regarding her other benefits).

Unfortunately youve gotten into a position where your salary plus all of your investments exactly equal your monthly expenses, no room for additional savings or investments or 401(k) contributions.

You get the end of the month statement from your bank, and WTF, the 50,000 is gone, and you realize Congress has fallen off the wagon and snorted the 50k. But her Uncle is your boss, and theres no way you can rock that boat, you are dependent on him for paying your salary.

(So far nothing has happened except Congress has spent 50k on blow, and your family net worth has dropped from 275k to 225k).

But you realize that since she paid her dealer at the end of the month that while youre okay this month, next month you are going to be $250 short on your bills.

What to do? Well, heres one solution. Borrow $50k from your 401(k) plan, that you have to repay at $250 per month, amoritizing that loan at 5% interest. Use that $50k to buy more of the same utilities, which will throw off $500 per month. Youve restored the net cash flow you needed.

Your liquid net worth is unchanged from these transactions, but your family has tapped the 401(k) plan to meet its cash flow needs (needs it wouldnt have if wifey didnt have a drug problem).

Whats happened from the point of view of your 401(k) plan? All it knows is that its invested $50,000 in a different asset...ZOMG a different IOU...its net worth is unchanged. That IOU happens to have TC's name on it instead of XYZ company, but its an extremely safe investment. Why? Because if you default on a 401(k) loan you are going to face all kinds of early withdrawal penalties and income taxes, and you arent about to let that happen. Your 401(k) plan doesnt give a damn that your wife had a helluva ride for a month. Its earning 5% in an extremely safe asset. YES, that IOU is an asset, it doesnt matter to your 401(k) plan that the IOU is coming from "within the family".

Whats happened to your liquid finances since you decided to make this transaction? Youve restored the blown 50k in assets, but incurred an equal amount of debt, so "nothing has happened" except you are now able to make your monthly nut because that other part of your family finances had some surplus assets.

Net sum? Congress spent 50k too much money, money you would have to find somewhere. You happened to find it in your personal little Social Security system, and you gave it an IOU. You could have given a 3rd party an IOU, but that effects your credit rating and you wont be able to finance other transactions as cheaply in the future.

Your own personal little Social Security system is in the exact same position it was before this all happened.

There are no "accounting shenanigans", no worth has been created out of thin air, there is no "scam" and your own personal SS system has an IOU for an asset...a very real asset.

I'll respond to issues of substance and accounting for these transactions, not minutiae like interest rate differentials, the length of time it takes to pay back your SS system etc.
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Old 11-29-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Is there no one who can articulate the purpose of Social Security?

Someone, anyone, take a shot at it.

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Old 11-29-2007, 08:59 PM
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Very patriotic! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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And easier to read then 4 or more layers of embedded quotes.

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<font color="red"> WTF!!!! NO IT ISN'T!! its the most irritating illegible thing I've ever seen in my life! </font> Jesus hit a space bar or something, no one can read that crap who isn't on crack.



edit to add:

as for your other "coke head wife analogy" post. Its just about right expt the the wife would be doing 50k in blow a month every month for 40 years or so.Also she would be [censored] ing all your friends, robbing neighborhood houses, and stealing cars to pay for her habit, all while while paying your boss to sodomize you at lunch.
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