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Old 11-14-2007, 10:01 AM
oyvindgee oyvindgee is offline
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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Why min raise on the flop? Either define your hand as strong or get out.

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He's looking to get it in against preflop reraiser. Why would he want to define his hand as strong??
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:30 AM
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I call pre, I flat the flop and try to check it down maybe vbetting the riv if board comes clean. As played the minraise for a free showdown worked pretty well I'd just check behind.
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:47 AM
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i dont like the min raise of flop with plan to get it in at all, i just flat the eflop and take it from there
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Old 11-14-2007, 11:52 AM
Orlando Salazar Orlando Salazar is offline
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If he is reraising 7% of the time, his RR range is wider than AA/KK/QQ. So why not RR PF to like 75% of pot? U can fold to any villain's shove...

If ur just gonna call PF, why would u raise a dry flop when if you u behind AA-QQ, u are practically getting set/bd straight odds with SB's bet?

Turn if fine OoP given action.

Why not semi bluff the river with a C/R if he tries to VB?
C/R>CF>CC
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:00 PM
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Flat the flop and see what happens. This raise just seems bad for so many reasons. C/F the river seems right as this is almost always a full house.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:19 PM
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C/f the river I guess. This looks like QQ or another JJ more then anything.
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Old 11-14-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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I call pre, I flat the flop and try to check it down maybe vbetting the riv if board comes clean. As played the minraise for a free showdown worked pretty well I'd just check behind.

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We got called by a different player in the pot who coldcalled our flop minraise of the lead bettor and we're OOP to this player.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:04 PM
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whoever told you to 4-bet this preflop and get it in is just crazy.

i like the minraise on the flop but honestly i'd prob fold to anyone who comes over the top. including the pfr. he has to have AA/KK a ton with this action.

i think there's a decent chance you're getting slowplayed when the board pairs and if not, BTN has to be pretty bad to pay you off with a worse hand to a bet (or you have to have a better image in multiway pots than you do... i.e. real spewy). so i check the river
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: Weird Hand on All Streets

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I call pre, I flat the flop and try to check it down maybe vbetting the riv if board comes clean. As played the minraise for a free showdown worked pretty well I'd just check behind.

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i agree with the first sentence but i guess cts missed that the guy you were trying to get free showdown against folded and the guy who you are OOP against cold called. so i'd C/F river.

also i think folding the flop is fine as well.
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Old 11-14-2007, 01:38 PM
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I'd check or bet like 400

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Sweet. What do you think he calls 400 with? What do you think of flop play/preflop?

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I don't really care what he calls 400 with I'm looking for a cheap showdown that I sometimes win, but don't have to call a big bet most of the time, and like we win sometimes. Your flop play looks really really weak and I think I would just fold on the flop most of the time. As for the turn you can do nothing but check fold.
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