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Old 11-25-2007, 01:24 AM
hitmenotone hitmenotone is offline
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Default 15/30 must see...



$10/$15 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$722.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$416.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$3839.50</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$285.00</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$300.00</font>)

Pre-flop: ($25, 5 players) Hero is UTG 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $45</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $15

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($115, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, BTN calls $15

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($145, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $30</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $60</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $90</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $120</font>, Hero calls $30

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($385, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $30</font>, Hero calls $30

Final Pot: $445
Hero shows: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BTN shows: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

BTN wins $442 ( won +$232 )
Hero lost -$210.00

That is all.
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Old 11-25-2007, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 must see...

[X] standard
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:00 AM
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Default Re: 15/30 must see...

BBV
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Old 11-25-2007, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: 15/30 must see...

unlucky, but not that surprising... do you think anyone ever folds a made straight in the donkey limit games? hell no.

here's a better BBV limit hand:

$15/$30 Limit Omaha Hi/Lo
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$2871.00</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$1179.00</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$947.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$1394.50</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$246.50</font>)

Pre-flop: ($45, 5 players) Hero is SB 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $60</font>, Hero calls $45, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>
<font color="#777777"> 44.40% (EV = $6.60)
</font><font color="#777777"> 55.60% (EV = $23.40)
</font>
Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($150, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $30</font>, Hero calls $30
<font color="#777777"> 41.90% (EV = $57.99)
</font><font color="#777777"> 58.10% (EV = $92.01)
</font>
Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($210, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60
<font color="#777777"> 8.70% (EV = -$31.29)
</font><font color="#777777"> 91.20% (EV = $240.96)
</font>
River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($330, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $60</font>, BTN calls $60
<font color="#777777"> 0.00% (EV = -$60.00)
</font><font color="#777777"> 100.00% (EV = $390.00)
</font>
Final Pot: $450
BTN shows: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero shows: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Hero wins $447 ( won +$237 )
BTN lost -$210.00
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:42 PM
Rush17 Rush17 is offline
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Default Re: 15/30 must see...

Not that it would've changed the outcome or anything, but I may have check/called the flop just in case his preflop 3-bet was with a high-type hand, or an AAXY hand. Not only would you be a clear favorite, but, by checking, he's probably going to bet it once to see how you react, opposed to leading out, where you give him the chance to get away from it. But, your approach was totally fine.

I also think you did pretty good on the river (I may have had to restrain myself from not betting, but maybe my line is a little too high variance?). He has to have a near perfect hand to scoop you, and considering that it was the Ace of spades that hit, I would think your chances to at least get half were pretty good. 'Just curious as to what hand you put him on that caused you to check the river.

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Old 11-25-2007, 08:47 PM
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Hi hitmenotone - Welcome to the forum. (I see this is your first 2+2 post).

I'm not sure what to say about your hand. I have no suggestions for improving your play here. Seems to me your play was fine.

The ace of spades is the worst river in the damned deck!

Ouch! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Button obviously was very lucky and Hero correspondingly unlucky on this river. If that were all, Donger would be right and this thread belongs in the Beats, Brags, and Variance forum. I wouldn't move your post there anyway, because it's your first post. But that's not all.

Of more interest is Button's play of the hand. Button has a huge stack, probably indicating some level of success playing the game. If so, we should give Button credit for knowing how to play the game well. Perhaps there's something useful to be learned.

Button is playing very aggressively. Although you can't draw too many conclusions from the play of one hand, I'm guessing Button probably usually plays very aggressively.

In this instance, Button should expect you to have a better than average pre-flop hand to raise from UTG (and you do). Yet Button raises before the flop with what seems to me to be a slightly below average hand for a five handed game. Compared, heads-up, you're about a three to two favorite before the flop (as simulated).

Seems like Button should be aware you very well might be about a three to two favorite if heads-up. Yet, despite this, Button makes it three bets, knocking out the blinds and succeeding in getting heads-up with probably a better starting hand.

My guess is Button hopes and expects to be able to out-play you by having position on you. If so, Button's plan doesn't work - but then Button gets lucky on the river. Wow!

I'm guessing Button plays all or most hands very aggressively before the flop, evidently even below average hands (at least sometimes). Either that or Button is randomly mixing up aggressiveness.

Buzz
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:45 PM
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From the way the hand played out I think button had no idea how to play this game and hit his one outer in the deck for the scoop.

He just bought into the game with his "big stack" which was probably his entire roll. I have never seen him in the games before and thus he must just be tilting off.

How does he cap the turn there. His hand is so marginal and he had to know he's behind the low for sure. Also, his flush draw is terrible. Once again, I know he is tilting and am ready to get paid off only to be screwed over and over again. This type of play by the button, which I should have huge profits on, has happened to me over and over and I have lost most of them.

He commented after the hand like he knew what the river was going to be. I quit shortly after the hand and have not played since as I don't feel certain that online poker is fair. I thought Omaha 8 was supposed to be a low variance game? Yet, I have more variance here than any other game and I play pretty straight forward. I just don't understand how this is possible? How do you handle this emotion?
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:31 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
I quit shortly after the hand and have not played since as I don't feel certain that online poker is fair.

[/ QUOTE ]hitmenotone - I'm pretty sure online poker is not always on the up and up. But this is such small potatoes that I doubt you were cheated in this instance.

[ QUOTE ]
I thought Omaha 8 was supposed to be a low variance game?

[/ QUOTE ]It depends on how you play. It might not be much fun, but I think you can play so that it is.

[ QUOTE ]
Yet, I have more variance here than any other game and I play pretty straight forward. I just don't understand how this is possible?

[/ QUOTE ]Seems very possible to me. I don't see anything you did wrong on this particular hand, but all it takes is a few more mistakes than your opponents here and there to turn you from a winner to a loser.[ QUOTE ]
How do you handle this emotion?

[/ QUOTE ]Try to sidestep it.

Set a loss limit. Don't make it for more than you can afford to lose. Quit the game to come back another day when you reach your loss limit.

Poker is a game of deception. You think Big Stack here is a lucky buffoon - and perhaps that is true - but perhaps the seemingly stupid play was a set-up for future hands - and then just turned out to be extraordinarily lucky this time.

Buzz
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:43 AM
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How do you handle this emotion?

[/ QUOTE ]

by not playin A57K w/ 3 hearts much less raisin w/ it in the first place.

also, hand is standard.
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Old 11-27-2007, 06:16 AM
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[X] standard

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