black people still not equals in america?

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america? whites get more money and are less likely to go to jail. going to jail makes black fathers less likely to have time to spend with their baby's momma which causes her to work two jobs to support her baby's daddy baby. this causes a repeat cycle.

there are some black models as professional athletes and music performer but hollywood is still racist. black people are always the token guy or the best friend or they play the cliche "mr hip" black guy. you never see a normal black guy and on shows like nikeloden for kids they never show a black guy with a white girl because itd scare the white kid audience cause its on cable.

[Nielsio]

Referring to human beings as whites or blacks is not exactly helping.

[tomdemaine]

Mindblowing analysis!

[NewTeaBag]

Ummmm, looking at a few of KKF's posts across the forums today, methinks he's spent an hour too many in an opium den today. That said, still more entertaining then a lot of the silliness spewing about today in poli.


PS KKF, you and I better start making covert plans for a quick escape whence China overuns Thailand.

[John Kilduff]

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does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america? whites get more money and are less likely to go to jail. going to jail makes black fathers less likely to have time to spend with their baby's momma which causes her to work two jobs to support her baby's daddy baby. this causes a repeat cycle.

there are some black models as professional athletes and music performer but hollywood is still racist. black people are always the token guy or the best friend or they play the cliche "mr hip" black guy. you never see a normal black guy and on shows like nikeloden for kids they never show a black guy with a white girl because itd scare the white kid audience cause its on cable.

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To some extent you might be to be confusing "equal results" with "equal treatment". Equal treatment DOES NOT GUARANTEE the production of equal results.

[L'ennemi.]

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does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america? whites get more money and are less likely to go to jail. going to jail makes black fathers less likely to have time to spend with their baby's momma which causes her to work two jobs to support her baby's daddy baby. this causes a repeat cycle.

there are some black models as professional athletes and music performer but hollywood is still racist. black people are always the token guy or the best friend or they play the cliche "mr hip" black guy. you never see a normal black guy and on shows like nikeloden for kids they never show a black guy with a white girl because itd scare the white kid audience cause its on cable.

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To some extent you might be to be confusing "equal results" with "equal treatment". Equal treatment DOES NOT GUARANTEE the production of equal results.

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Assuming sames opportunities, it does for a large population

[John Kilduff]

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does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america? whites get more money and are less likely to go to jail. going to jail makes black fathers less likely to have time to spend with their baby's momma which causes her to work two jobs to support her baby's daddy baby. this causes a repeat cycle.

there are some black models as professional athletes and music performer but hollywood is still racist. black people are always the token guy or the best friend or they play the cliche "mr hip" black guy. you never see a normal black guy and on shows like nikeloden for kids they never show a black guy with a white girl because itd scare the white kid audience cause its on cable.

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To some extent you might be to be confusing "equal results" with "equal treatment". Equal treatment DOES NOT GUARANTEE the production of equal results.

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Assuming sames opportunities, it does for a large population

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It doesn't mean that diverse groups within that larger population will attain the same results, because diverse groups have their own peculiarities.

[iron81]

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does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america?

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I do. People in this forum think if that we stick our fingers in our ears that we can make race based problems go away. The problem is, that you most definately are treated differently in this country by what color your skin is. Whether it's in the media, in court or where you live, being a minority is an excellent predictor of having a crappy life. Heck, the concensus on this forum is that Obama can't get elected because he is black.

Of course, there are two explanations for this: either you believe that minorities are inferior or that forces outside their control have led to this. I believe the latter.

[manbearpig]

Maybe it has less to do with the skin color and more to do with how the majority of a certain class dresses/behaves/etc. I fail to understand how people can't grasp the concept that if you want to fit in and be accepted by a group then you have to kinda conform to that group.

[John Kilduff]

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does anyone else still feel bad that black people are not treated as equals in america?

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I do. People in this forum think if that we stick our fingers in our ears that we can make race based problems go away. The problem is, that you most definately are treated differently in this country by what color your skin is. Whether it's in the media, in court or where you live, being a minority is an excellent predictor of having a crappy life. Heck, the concensus on this forum is that Obama can't get elected because he is black.

Of course, there are two explanations for this: either you believe that minorities are inferior or that forces outside their control have led to this. I believe the latter.

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I would agree that some outside forces have led to some imbalances, but that is not the whole picture. What outside forces have led to the result that Asians now earn more than whites in the USA? How have whites been oppressed leading to this unequal result?

Not all unequal results are the result of unequal treatment. Some unequal results are the result of unequal treatment. The point about Asian incomes having surpassed white incomes in the USA proves the above statement, since there is no conceivable way to assert that whites have been discriminated against vis-a-vis Asians in America. Yet Asians now earn more than whites in America. So some group differences in results can and do exist without oppression being a causative factor.

edit: Of course, one might argue that whites haven't been oppressed vis-a-vis Asians, that whites are just inferior. I prefer to think it is due to cultural differences that Asians now outearn whites in America. Notably, too, Asians were highly oppressed in America many decades ago.

Thanks for reading.