2/4: 170bbs deep, 4-bet pot, TPTK... c/f?

[Michaelson]

Opponent's a regular TAG. No notable history. I have been playing pretty straight up TAG, but anyone who has stats on me from when I last played 2/4 a few months ago would have me pegged as a LAGtard, 28/22 or thereabouts.

Do I just check fold this flop? I can't see his range being much broader than QQ+, AK.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">SB: $679.49</font>
BB: $524.00
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $1,261.14</font>
MP: $211.38
CO: $495.90
BTN: $752.04

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, MP calls $16.00, CO folds, BTN calls $16.00, <font color="red">SB raises to $72.00</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $210.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $138.00

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($456) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero...</font>

[xorbie]

so you 4bet pf and want to cf here? solid.

[Michaelson]

yeah, okay, I suck. Certainly didn't need anyone to tell me that.

But when I 4bet him preflop he hadn't called yet. When he has called, what do I beat?

[ArturiusX]

You can fold pre if you like.

[MattC]

if you are putting this much of your stack in preflop you have to be willing to put it ai with tptk. think about what you would do with aa or kk here as well as you should play it consistently. i think the only hand that is beating you here is qq.

side note: your hand plays well multi way and you are pretty deep so i like calling here.

[BDaws]

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so you 4bet pf and want to cf here? solid.

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I wouldn't fold here, but quick question: Why does the fact that we 4 bet matter what we do postflop? Couldn't c/f be a decent line if we knew with nearly perfect accuracy his range for just calling the 4 bet was AK, QQ+?

Just realized we are in position so we can't c/f, but it was in the OP.

[Jay.]

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so you 4bet pf and want to cf here? solid.

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I wouldn't fold here, but quick question: Why does the fact that we 4 bet matter what we do postflop? Couldn't c/f be a decent line if we knew with nearly perfect accuracy his range for just calling the 4 bet was AK, QQ+?

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It could be very solid. It's pretty weak not considering it imo. People just get attached and don't realise how dramatically hand ranges of players can change.

[xorbie]

look the point isn't that c/f is bad here, the point is don't [censored] 4bet if you are going to c/f here.

[skegvegaspoker]

As played check.

I've always been a little confused by xorbie's and others' school of thought. Sure, once we reraise, all that matters is the opponents hand raise and comparing it to the new pot odds?

[True]

bet/call all in