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#1
10-22-2007, 08:20 PM
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NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
No notes on villain but has stats of 12/9/3 over 1200
Does he re-raise PF with anything that I beat? Do I bet the turn? Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter BB: $126.75 UTG: $54.35 UTG+1: $108.25 UTG+2: $90.10 Hero (MP1): $98.50 MP2: $10.95 CO: $18.50 BTN: $24.45 SB: $149.25 Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP1) 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $16</font>, Hero calls $12 Flop: ($32.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20 Turn: ($72.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) BB checks, Hero checks River: ($72.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">BB bets $34</font>, Hero folds Results: $72.50 Pot ($3 Rake) BB mucked and WON $69.50 (+$33.50 NET) 
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#2
10-22-2007, 08:33 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
I think just folding preflop against a guy that tight is fine.
On the flop the worst hand he ever has there is TPTK and in that case he's got one of your outs. I think I would fold the flop too. FWIW I think going all in on the flop may be better than calling since you might fold out AA/AK. In either case you're getting 2.5:1 on 8 outs and after calling you'll only have ~$60 left so your implied odds aren't there. River fold is good, I'm about 90% sure he had AK.
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#3
10-22-2007, 09:18 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
I would fold preflop, with a 4x rr from a 12/9 you're pretty much always setmining here, and you aren't getting good odds for that.
I agree with brocktoon, fold > shove > call
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#4
10-22-2007, 10:25 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
jam the flop for sure
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#5
10-22-2007, 10:44 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
[ QUOTE ]
jam the flop for sure [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you have to be pretty sure he'd fold AA/AK for that to make sense? Otherwise you're putting $80+ into a $32 pot with <8 outs. If you're sure he'll fold AA or TPTK to a shove there then I agree the shove is +EV since those are his most likely holdings. However, most players are never folding a hand that strong on the flop in a 3-bet pot after a C-bet.
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#6
10-22-2007, 10:49 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] jam the flop for sure [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you have to be pretty sure he'd fold AA/AK for that to make sense? Otherwise you're putting $80+ into a $32 pot with <8 outs. If you're sure he'll fold AA or TPTK to a shove there then I agree the shove is +EV since those are his most likely holdings. However, most players are never folding a hand that strong on the flop in a 3-bet pot after a C-bet. [/ QUOTE ] I thought about shoving briefly but decided against it because I just don't think he is folding any hands that beat me.
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#7
10-22-2007, 10:57 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] jam the flop for sure [/ QUOTE ] Wouldn't you have to be pretty sure he'd fold AA/AK for that to make sense? Otherwise you're putting $80+ into a $32 pot with <8 outs. If you're sure he'll fold AA or TPTK to a shove there then I agree the shove is +EV since those are his most likely holdings. However, most players are never folding a hand that strong on the flop in a 3-bet pot after a C-bet. [/ QUOTE ] Most 12/9s aren't retarded. Especially if hero has that many hands against him. If anything do it for metagame and the fact that when he has a set you still have 8 outs. edit: since you can't call purely for set value then you either have to be jamming here or really need to fold this preflop.
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#8
10-22-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
I think I fold on the flop.
However, I belive there is merit to shoving. What range of hands do you think a tight player puts you on here if you shove? TT-AA, AK. It becomes a very tough call for him w/ most of his range w/ the exception of KK and QQ.
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#9
10-22-2007, 11:05 PM
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Re: NL100: JJ Did I play This Right?
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I think I fold on the flop. However, I belive there is merit to shoving. What range of hands do you think a tight player puts you on here if you shove? TT-AA, AK. It becomes a very tough call for him w/ most of his range w/ the exception of KK and QQ. [/ QUOTE ] I'm pretty sure shoving this with JJ>>>>>>>>>>than shoving with AK. I don't know that that directly related to your point, but just wanted to throw it out there. I also think its a better shove with JJ than AA, but people will surely disagree with that.
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