Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Other Topics > Science, Math, and Philosophy
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-08-2007, 09:11 PM
furyshade furyshade is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,705
Default question about probability and infinite trials

one thing that sort of bugs me abount probability, if i do something an infinite amount of times, each possible outcome will happen an infinite number of times. how can one infinity be more than another? this obviously goes against the basic laws of probability, so how is it in an infinite number of trials each outcome is equally probable if each outcome occurs an infinite number of times?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-08-2007, 09:21 PM
kerowo kerowo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,880
Default Re: question about probability and infinite trials

You don't understand what infinity means.

Yes, if you did something an infinite number of times (you can't) every possible outcome will happen an infinite number of times. However, the chance that something happens during any countable number of trials will fit whatever probabilities describe the event.

If you really want get goofy realize that there are an infinite amount of fractions between any 2 numbers.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-08-2007, 09:31 PM
furyshade furyshade is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,705
Default Re: question about probability and infinite trials

[ QUOTE ]
You don't understand what infinity means.

Yes, if you did something an infinite number of times (you can't) every possible outcome will happen an infinite number of times. However, the chance that something happens during any countable number of trials will fit whatever probabilities describe the event.

If you really want get goofy realize that there are an infinite amount of fractions between any 2 numbers.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, ive read a few things about that, hotel ad infinitum etc., and was wondering if anyone could give a relatively concise explanation of why mathematical logic seems to break down in infinite circumstances
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-08-2007, 09:33 PM
Phil153 Phil153 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,905
Default Re: question about probability and infinite trials

If I have an infinitely long rod, and you try to measure it, what's going to happen? How useful is your measurement?

Most math is ultimately the art of measuring something in terms of tangible quantities.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-08-2007, 11:13 PM
gull gull is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 981
Default Re: question about probability and infinite trials

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?art...amp;sc=I100322

2/3*x as x goes to infinity is twice as large as 1/3*x as x goes to infinity, even though both limits equal infinity. Analogously, something that occurs 2/3 of the time will still occur 2/3 of the time even when infinite trials are performed and each results occurs an infinite number of times.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-09-2007, 11:27 PM
Kaj Kaj is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Bet-the-pot
Posts: 1,812
Default Re: question about probability and infinite trials

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You don't understand what infinity means.

Yes, if you did something an infinite number of times (you can't) every possible outcome will happen an infinite number of times. However, the chance that something happens during any countable number of trials will fit whatever probabilities describe the event.

If you really want get goofy realize that there are an infinite amount of fractions between any 2 numbers.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah, ive read a few things about that, hotel ad infinitum etc., and was wondering if anyone could give a relatively concise explanation of why mathematical logic seems to break down in infinite circumstances

[/ QUOTE ]

Mathematical logic didn't break down. The definition of probability is basically how often something is expected (frequency) over a given number of trials.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.