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Old 09-23-2007, 08:19 PM
pifhluk pifhluk is offline
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Default $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

CO is at a few of my tables. Button is a donk. What does CO have to open with to make this profitable? My read on CO is that he won't call w/out KK+ maybe Qs.


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MP1 (t1455)
MP2 (t1200)
CO (t1460)
Button (t760)
SB (t2170)
Hero (t1540)
UTG (t1830)
UTG+1 (t3085)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t125</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t760</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1540</font>
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

I'm not totally against a fold pf. I often don't though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I think CO probably raises here pretty wide maybe KJs+, 22+, A10s+ and maybe a few other hands.

other than donk for the BTN any specific reads?

I have gone back and forth anout 3-4 times in my head about push vs fold pf, and I still don't know. Interesting Hand. I think CO's range is very important.
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

I like it. This it good +ev isolation i think. he wont fold a better hand, but he doesn't have to have those QQ+ for raising this, and getting money with JJ vs donk sounds sweet.
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Old 09-23-2007, 08:45 PM
MikeMcQ1 MikeMcQ1 is offline
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

This isn't isolation, this is a flat out value shove.
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:01 PM
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As much as I hate it, I would fold PF. That raise to 125 and a reraise from a donk, I think your crushed.
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

best u have is a coinflip BEST
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:11 PM
DuderinoAB DuderinoAB is offline
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

i don't think i'm ever anything but all in here...especially if button is a donk...there's basically no way that CO's range is tight enough for this to be a fold
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

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As much as I hate it, I would fold PF. That raise to 125 and a reraise from a donk, I think your crushed.

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So your saying CO is only raising QQ+ or button is re-raising QQ+? If button is a complete donk his range is a lot wider than QQ+ and yea CO might have a QQ+ but i think his range is a lot wider and if he has QQ he might even fold seeing a raise and re-raise.
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

o i didn't see that button is allin. sry
i would push in an instant :&gt;
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Old 09-23-2007, 09:21 PM
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Default Re: $27 JJ Isolate w/ shortstack

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best u have is a coinflip BEST

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Wrong, donks can show up with so much junk here
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