I'm new - go easy

jkamowitz · #1 08-31-2007, 01:52 PM

I decide to sit down in a 1/2nl 300 max club game waiting for my limit game. I know no one and have no reads. I recognize a few players from looking around in the past but have never (or dont remember) every playing with them.

However, in the two orbits or so that I've folded I've seen villian1 (Fabio) raise 4 limpers on the button with J7h, check his flush draw heads up on the flop, call a bet on the turn and then raise the river when the board pairs. . . He also limped in with AA and checked a Q45 two clubs board only to come to life with the Kc hit the turn value bet the turn and the river and won.

Villian 2 is a calling station and has played almost every hand so far.

anyways, if you made it this far thank you.

I'm bb with 56o
4 limpers or maybe 5 and I check

Comes 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
I bet 10
folds,
villian 1 minraises to 20
villian 2 calls
sb folds
and I want to raise but I'm not sure how much.

tubasteve · #2 08-31-2007, 02:01 PM

stack sizes?

jkamowitz · #3 08-31-2007, 02:54 PM

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stack sizes?

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I and the caller and have around 300
Villian has 600ish

KurtSF · #4 08-31-2007, 04:15 PM

Heads up I would actually suggest calling and leading the turn for the pot on a non-[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. A flush draw will not fold, so wait until you have him crushed (one card to come) and force him to make a big mistake (calling your bet), instead of allowing him to put you in the tough position (by 4-betting or shoving the flop here).

Multiway its a lot harder. A PSB would be making it $90 to go. That sounds reasonable if you want to take this all the way. Getting it in on the flop with bottom two is a VERY high variance play - you will lose the hand quite often - but its probably +EV in the long run against poor players.

$0.02

orange · #5 08-31-2007, 04:16 PM

i think your beat quite often.

KurtSF · #6 08-31-2007, 04:20 PM

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i think your beat quite often.

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Would you rather call down, folding to heavy action?

dregal · #7 08-31-2007, 04:30 PM

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i think your beat quite often.

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I dunno...this Fabio guy seems like a mega donk who limped AA before so I think his range is wide here. Calling station has any peice of that baord.

I don't think we should be all that upset to get our chips in the middle.