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11-24-2007, 09:57 AM
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when do you fold medium pairs PF?
A few times tonight in $6.50's I've run TT/JJ/QQ in KK/AA and wondering if I am playing them right. Situation would be something like blinds at 25/50, normal stacks. I open to say 4-5xBB in MP with a semi-tight image at least and get min or a little more re-raised from a decent player. In this situation is a push likely to be +EV?
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#2
11-24-2007, 10:23 AM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
Ill have to say, when I first read the subject line, I thought this would have been about "medium pp", but anyway....
You open 4-5x with pp10+ and a "decent player" reraises, early on,IDK, I am most certainly playing QQ+ for my stack, but would probably lay down jj-... The level you are playing is important also. IN 6.50's you have an enormous amount of people who absolutely love to overplay AK here.
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#3
11-24-2007, 10:40 AM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
In this situation I'm pushing QQ+, calling his 3bet with JJ and folding TT-.
Try opening to only 3x BB, making it easier to fold/call medium PP's when reraised.
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#4
11-24-2007, 01:19 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
Opening to 4-5x is just an awful play, especially with these hands, all you accomplish is folding out all worse hands while committing yourself against better pairs/AK.
Even if you are raising 3bb usually with QQ you aren't getting away from it at 25/50, jacks are read dependent, tens even more so.
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#5
11-24-2007, 05:48 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
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Opening to 4-5x is just an awful play, especially with these hands, all you accomplish is folding out all worse hands while committing yourself against better pairs/AK. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the advice - I will play with my raising ranges a bit today. I guess I'm just worried about how many callers I get sometimes with a 3x raise at the $6.50s.
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#6
11-24-2007, 06:57 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
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In this situation I'm pushing QQ+, calling his 3bet with JJ and folding TT-. Try opening to only 3x BB, making it easier to fold/call medium PP's when reraised. [/ QUOTE ] Unless you have a read, I'm not sure why you would call with JJ but fold TT.
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#7
11-24-2007, 08:52 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop?
Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: 1,135 Hero (UTG): 1,545 UTG+1: 1,725 MP: 1,580 CO: 700 BTN: 4,950 SB: 1,865 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font>
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#8
11-24-2007, 08:55 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
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Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop? Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: 1,135 Hero (UTG): 1,545 UTG+1: 1,725 MP: 1,580 CO: 700 BTN: 4,950 SB: 1,865 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font> [/ QUOTE ] I just open shove this preflop with <10x BB. Raising 1/3 of your stack then even thinking about folding to a push is really bad.
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#9
11-24-2007, 09:06 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
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Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop? Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: 1,135 Hero (UTG): 1,545 UTG+1: 1,725 MP: 1,580 CO: 700 BTN: 4,950 SB: 1,865 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font> [/ QUOTE ] thats not even close to your first post 200bb what you reraise with will be much much wider then at 50bb
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#10
11-24-2007, 09:13 PM
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Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
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Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop? Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter BB: 1,135 Hero (UTG): 1,545 UTG+1: 1,725 MP: 1,580 CO: 700 BTN: 4,950 SB: 1,865 Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG) <font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font> [/ QUOTE ] just shove , u have 7.5bbs. if u have 10 or less bb you should just be shoving if u plan on playing the hand
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