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Old 10-08-2007, 07:08 PM
Elrazor Elrazor is offline
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Default Re: HU 25/50 really interesting spot in big pot

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Half the pot might be a little too much to get people to bluff at you. A third of a pot is more likely to do the trick.

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i prefer leading for something like this, maybe even 2k, as you might even induce a bare Ace to bluff as he has more than enough rope with a bet this small
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:15 PM
sqwisssssss sqwisssssss is offline
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orgasm then.... i would bet, but thinking about if you were to bet he would only call with a hand he would bet with if you checked it to him, so be ballsy and check.

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agreed.

it blows when you have a hidden best hand like this and dont know what to do.

a "reverse tough spot"

get balsy and check or open shove pot bet and represent a bluff.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: HU 25/50 really interesting spot in big pot

I never said to lead for full pot size fwiw. Going for a c/r given Gordos image and the way the hand developed. So many hands are checking behind and not calling river leads that you really just should lead here and hope he picked up a flush.

I'm not even sure King Hi flush draws raise here unless we bet very small.

I don't think a straight calls any sort of bet above 1/2 psb. A straight on this board is only going to be a pure bluff the way this hand went down.

Our best bet is to lead out for 2/3 - 3/4 psb and hope he calls with a made flush, or raises with the Nut flush.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:22 PM
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Best case scenerio is he has Acxc maybe Kcxc and will bet. If he doesn't. Does he call any bet.

Has he kept firing at a similar pot? Your check/calling is pretty indicative of a draw, but he doesn't know what one. Could be str8, clubs,or spades.


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The interesting hand that nobody has really mentioned yet, but which was the hand that I'm pretty sure he put me on given the action to the river and after it, is me having flopped top 2 pair, or a set, etc.. Given his style of play, I really think that he may have absolute air in this spot and just be betting thinking that he knows what hand I am on...

A block-bet to induce a bluff is definitely a reasonable play in this spot too.

What hand do you all put him on? His range is extraoridnarily high here...
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:22 PM
sqwisssssss sqwisssssss is offline
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Half the pot might be a little too much to get people to bluff at you. A third of a pot is more likely to do the trick.

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i prefer leading for something like this, maybe even 2k, as you might even induce a bare Ace to bluff as he has more than enough rope with a bet this small

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i agree with razor too.

theres so many options here.
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Old 10-08-2007, 07:49 PM
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Half the pot might be a little too much to get people to bluff at you. A third of a pot is more likely to do the trick.

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i prefer leading for something like this, maybe even 2k, as you might even induce a bare Ace to bluff as he has more than enough rope with a bet this small

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i agree with razor too.

theres so many options here.

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You agree with elrazor agreeing with me? LOL. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 10-08-2007, 08:11 PM
sqwisssssss sqwisssssss is offline
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Half the pot might be a little too much to get people to bluff at you. A third of a pot is more likely to do the trick.

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i prefer leading for something like this, maybe even 2k, as you might even induce a bare Ace to bluff as he has more than enough rope with a bet this small

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i agree with razor too.

theres so many options here.

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You agree with elrazor agreeing with me? LOL. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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yes, sorry, i did not read all the replies because this hand still has me at a quandry.

i find that when i'm at a quandry, then that usually means there are a few right answers.

but there is usually one better answer.......but not by much sometimes.

advocating a turn push seems really sweet knowing that the river brings gin, but on the turn, villan really seems like he means buisness and i think coming over the top on the turn with op's holdings seems thin.

but thats just me. its all very very close.

i'm going to try and forget all about this hand.

thanks alot op for ruining my day
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:27 PM
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i'm going to try and forget all about this hand.

thanks alot op for ruining my day

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I do what I can [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

In case anyone is curious, I wound up putting him on total air and played the river as goes:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $50 BB (2 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($12305)
Hero ($28307)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], 9[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], T[[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], T[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]].
Button raises to $150, Hero raises to $450, Button calls $300.

Flop: ($900) 6[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], 9[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], 7[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]](2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $899, Hero calls $899.

Turn: ($2698) 5[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2697, Hero calls $2697.

River: ($8092) 8[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $5600, Hero raises to $11200, Button folds.

Final Pot: $24892
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:36 PM
sqwisssssss sqwisssssss is offline
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Default Re: HU 25/50 really interesting spot in big pot

yes, he must have had total air to bet that river with out nut flush. any other hand that he could have bet flop and turn would have checked the river.

possibly king high or queen high flush too..........and then mucked to your check push.

funny how the balsiest move sometimes is a "check".

sick hand.
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Old 10-09-2007, 01:32 AM
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Default Re: HU 25/50 really interesting spot in big pot

nh sir
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