*****OFFICIAL DALLAS COWBOYS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS 11/29/07 THREAD*****

BCPVP · #1 11-30-2007, 02:11 AM

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

Zutroy · #2 11-30-2007, 02:27 AM

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

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The problem with that is that the stats for defensive backs that are publicly available are pretty bad. Tackles for instance. Say you have two safeties, Player A and Player B. Player A is terrible in coverage and gets picked on quite a lot. He allows quite a few completions but generally tackles the receiver after he makes the catch. Player B, however, is much better at breaking up passes and teams do not target him often. Which player is better and who will have more tackles?

BCPVP · #3 11-30-2007, 02:50 AM

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The problem (which is not his fault) is that this kid should not be starting. He makes some good plays, but then he'll make some plays that are just ridiculously stupid.

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You guys are being ridiculously. Compare his stats with all the other strong safeties in the league. There aren't that many that can compare.

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The problem with that is that the stats for defensive backs that are publicly available are pretty bad. Tackles for instance. Say you have two safeties, Player A and Player B. Player A is terrible in coverage and gets picked on quite a lot. He allows quite a few completions but generally tackles the receiver after he makes the catch. Player B, however, is much better at breaking up passes and teams do not target him often. Which player is better and who will have more tackles?

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On the flip side, a player who sucks would probably not be leading DB's in tackles or tied for second among SS's in turnovers. I'm not saying the guy is god's gift to the safety position, but people who call a guy who's practically a rookie "one of the worst players they've ever seen" or compare him to a CB who sucked so much he's not playing after only 3 seasons are [censored] up in the head.

Zutroy · #4 11-30-2007, 03:05 AM

He isn't leading the league in tackles. Gibril Wilson and Michael Lewis are ahead of him, neither of whom are all that good. My point was that tackles aren't a very good stat to judge safeties by. Safeties have to do much more than just tackle well. I don't know much about Bigby so I'm not really saying he is awful or anything, just that a sizable tackle total doesn't necessarily mean he is good.

BCPVP · #5 11-30-2007, 04:08 PM

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He isn't leading the league in tackles. Gibril Wilson and Michael Lewis are ahead of him, neither of whom are all that good. My point was that tackles aren't a very good stat to judge safeties by. Safeties have to do much more than just tackle well. I don't know much about Bigby so I'm not really saying he is awful or anything, just that a sizable tackle total doesn't necessarily mean he is good.

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I'm not saying Bigby is good because he has a lot of tackles. Trust me, I understand why you can't use that as your sole measuring stick. And I haven't been doing that either. He has an interception in the first Viking game that sealed the win for us. He has several forced fumbles, one of them being on Portis in the Skins game that was recovered by Hawk after Bigby hit him for a 3 yard loss. Yes, he gets beat on some plays. I understand that he's not Bob Sanders, but for a guy who's still pretty new, I don't think he's doing as bad as some people do. He's got a long way to go yet.

And Bigby IS leading the defensive backs in total tackles right now with 77. Wilson has 76 and Lewis has 75.

dlk9s · #6 11-30-2007, 04:25 PM

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And Bigby IS leading the defensive backs in total tackles right now with 77. Wilson has 76 and Lewis has 75.

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Not that it matters, but that's in one extra game.

Regardless, he's still really bad. Instead of starting him and Bush last night, McCarthy should have just inserted a string bikini and a comb-over into the starting defensive backfield, as they would have provided better coverage.