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Old 09-25-2007, 05:11 PM
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Default KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

Villain is unknown. My reasoning is that people limp w/ suited connectors / small pairs so he is usually drawing. Do you fold this? What do you do if villain bets 300-400 on river?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $947.1
UTG+1: $1042
UTG+2: $1780.25
MP1: $1068.75
MP2: $925
Hero: $1441.25
CO: $1918
Button: $1834
SB: $1101
BB: $1060.25

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $60</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($195, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $50</font>, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($295, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $100</font>, Hero calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($495, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $130</font>, Hero calls.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:16 PM
tozzy tozzy is offline
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

raise flop, probably fold if he 3bets, probably checking turn behind if he calls. but yeah, i dont i have clue of fullring.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

flop is drawy and he may three bet with a draw. I don't like making the pot big with second pair.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:21 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

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flop is drawy and he may three bet with a draw. I don't like making the pot big with second pair.

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The only problem with this logic is that you are letting him draw for free. You also make the rest of the hand difficult to play. That being said, im really not sure what to do here, but I think there is some good in raising the flop.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

i play same
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

ok jp. if we raise flop he calls. we check turn. draws miss and he bets. do you call? this is extremely common scenario. that's why i think raising is lose-lose situation. Either we get bluffed easily or we get screwed on later streets by his bluffs. This kinda brings me to my question which people are ignoring. Do you call a 350 bet on the river?
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

Does he always bet the turn with his draw? Without reads this is very tough. His range is fairly wide even for a 350 bet on the river as played. Obviously flush draws are part of his range, along with a few other hands you beat. I think without reads it may not be horrible to call that size river bet. Reads are what really make this work. I just think that since you look weak and he knows this he can bet the river w/ middle pair type hands along with the missed draw which probably is enough of his range to make calling profitable.
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Old 09-25-2007, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: KK full ring. Ace on flop, villain keeps betting small.

Above I meant does he always bet turn with his draw after you raise the flop. I think he would be much less likely to bet turn in that situation than in the way you played it.
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