Expected Income from Poker

[Chaoslord]

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awesome results!! What site is this?? Party??

I think a 10-12 pt/100 at 5-10 on fulltilt over a significant amount of hands (150-200k) is impossible. Just for the record.

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mostly crypto (an european network) i admit that the games at fulltilt and stars are probably a little harder

[sqwisssssss]

lol, sup chaos. just kidding guys. chaos owns.

[Thremp]

Theres a datamine of 6max guys where the biggest winners are ~3.5

You can get 5+ by playing a good bit of HU and selectively choosing your opponents. Though no one is beating the 5/10 FTP game over large sample sizes for >4PTBB (Most of this is due to survivorship bias, the ones that can have left the game and are in bigger games)

[sqwisssssss]

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Theres a datamine of 6max guys where the biggest winners are ~3.5

You can get 5+ by playing a good bit of HU and selectively choosing your opponents. Though no one is beating the 5/10 FTP game over large sample sizes for >4PTBB (Most of this is due to survivorship bias, the ones that can have left the game and are in bigger games)

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yeah, i see an awful lot of checking in these bigger games. i think they would make more in the long run by not checking top pair all day..........but whatever.

[peatr999]

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[SuperSnort]

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maybe a little bragish and not a huge samplesize but i think a winrate of 10-12 ptbb/100 at 5/10 is certainly possible for a strong player. i only play 4 tables at most though.

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you suck! <font color="white"> at NL5000 </font> [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Wizzy33]

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I disagree w/ everyone here saying that 2 PTBB is near the upper-end of winrates...i think that's VERY achievable for most solid NL winners, and there are a good number of people who seem to sustain 4-5PTBB/100 over 200K+ hands.

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you are way off. people need to take a reality check when it comes to winrates.

[bballwiz]

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Let's say you are an established winning poker player. Your winrate per month ranges from 2.9 PTBB/100 up to 7.2 PTBB/100
If you plan to play 30,000 hands per month, you should expect to earn on average the following amounts per month/per level.

Online Pro Expected Monthly Income(30,000 Hands):
NL200: 3480-9480 ($41,000 to $113,760 annually)
NL400:7000-17000 ($84,000 to $204,000 annually)
NL600: 10440-26244 ($125,280 to $314,928 annually)
NL1000:17400-43,200 ($208,800 to $518,400 annually)

Do you guys fine these numbers to be realistic, and is anybody maintaining these over the long term? These numbers seem ridiculously high to me!

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Did the numbers you came out with include some form of either rakeback? or if on stars their vip program?

[mindcirkus]

i've been at about 5ptbb/100 at 2/4 and 3/6 over the last 100k hands. even higher at 5/10 but i only have 4k hands so thats irrelevant. i do go to great lengths to find weak tables, and i also think i should probably move up.

there is no way any one can convince me that 5ptbb/100 is not possible at 2/4 and lower for very good players.

[mce86]

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Let's say you are an established winning poker player. Your winrate per month ranges from 2.9 PTBB/100 up to 7.2 PTBB/100
If you plan to play 30,000 hands per month, you should expect to earn on average the following amounts per month/per level.

Online Pro Expected Monthly Income(30,000 Hands):
NL200: 3480-9480 ($41,000 to $113,760 annually)
NL400:7000-17000 ($84,000 to $204,000 annually)
NL600: 10440-26244 ($125,280 to $314,928 annually)
NL1000:17400-43,200 ($208,800 to $518,400 annually)

Do you guys fine these numbers to be realistic, and is anybody maintaining these over the long term? These numbers seem ridiculously high to me!

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Did the numbers you came out with include some form of either rakeback? or if on stars their vip program?

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no, i just used the range of wintates fom 2.9bb/100 to 7.4 bb/100. based on 30000 hands per month (360000 hands)
the low emd is 2.9 bb/100 which is definitely attainable.