watching someone else overtip

[StevieG]

The thing is it is highly possible to way overtip, and make the game better.

For example, telling the dealer "if I win the next hand, I'm tipping you half the pot."

Done in the right place, this can turn an average table into a chip splashing party.

[LuckyTxGuy]

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but I don't think there is a definitive answer.

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Actually, I think there is a definitive answer and by the replies above mine, it seems everyone agrees. The answer is: it is no one else's business. When that pot is pushed, the money is this guys. He can do anything he wants with it, within the house rules. If he wants to stand up and leave and go blow it all at craps, that is his right. If he's going to "take it off the table" so to speak, I can't think of a much better thing to do with it than give it to the dealer. Anywhere else besides the dealer's toke box and another poker player's stack and it's going into the casino's bank account.

As for him being a new player and not knowing better, it shouldn't take even the most non-observant newb at the table to realize that everyone else is throwing the dealer one or two chips instead of 5-15 like him. If he sees this but continues to over tip, so be it.

There are alot of bad things to be in life but I don't think an over tipper ranks anywhere near the top.

[The Ocho]

the dealer and overtipper were obviously part of a super-advanced ratholing team. call the floor and maybe gaming control.

[Mr Rick]

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... i dont say a word to him as its his money and he can do as he likes with it. but at the same time im thinking about how this might be a bad thing for the table if he goes on a heater and takes alot of the money out of play with some big tips


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I look at it differently. The guy is more likely there to enjoy himself and doesn't seem to be worried about money. Think about all the calls he will make to satisfy his curiosity!

Also, it is nice to see dealers get the money and not the casinos themselves. There are so many jerks who don't tip or tip minimally that this type of player balances things out.

I have seen dealers that are playing overtip on every hand ($5 instead of $1). It is professional courtesy - but I have also seen it encourage all the players to tip a bit more especially on the bigger pots.

The one time I felt uneasy about this type of situation was when two drunk brothers were tipping anywhere from $5 to $25 each pot (average pot size $200 or so) in a 10/20 LHE game. They were extremely loud, obnoxious and verbally abusive. The dealers didn't say anything, possibly because these guys were huge. But also possibly because these guys were tipping so well. Since this occurred at Foxwoods where dealers pool their tips I lean towards the these guys were harder to control than a cyclone theory.

[pfapfap]

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"Dealer, here's $2 for dealing me the winning hand. You have another $2 coming every time you do that again."

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Wow. If someone interferes with my tips that way (which nobody has EVER done, because they understand the "deep pockets" theory), how about if, next time I push a pot s/he wins off of the over-tipper, I tell the over-tipper not to play weak hands like that when the loudmouth is raising? Is that acceptable to you?

[pocketpared]

I wouldn't say anything. But if you feel you must, wait until the guy goes to the john, leave the table and intercept him.

[*TT*]

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"Dealer, here's $2 for dealing me the winning hand. You have another $2 coming every time you do that again."

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Wow. If someone interferes with my tips that way (which nobody has EVER done, because they understand the "deep pockets" theory), how about if, next time I push a pot s/he wins off of the over-tipper, I tell the over-tipper not to play weak hands like that when the loudmouth is raising? Is that acceptable to you?

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pfapfap - I hate to break it to you, in general this a poker PLAYERS forum, not a poker DEALERS forum.

Nobody cares about dealers here.

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[*TT*]

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but I don't think there is a definitive answer.

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Actually, I think there is a definitive answer and by the replies above mine, it seems everyone agrees. The answer is: it is no one else's business.

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i think your wrong, your looking at the matter as black and white when in reality its gray. Let me explain using the state of NJ rules because it will show the extreme side.

In the state of NJ chips are not legal tender. Your not allowed to remove chips from the casino, its a crime. Your not allowed to exchange chips for legal tender with anyone but the cashier. Your not allowed to pay for food, buy products, your hotel stay - chips are legally intended for gambling use only (of course we do these things anyway and they are overlooked, but that doesn't mean its legal to do so). I was once told that tipping was a legal loophole in NJ that was never fully addressed. Assuming this is true (I dont know if it really is), lets pretend we have a player playing 2/5 NL with a $250 stack and the capped buyin is $250 (remember - we are pretending to explain a concept). He is in a 10 way pot with opponents that have exactly equal stacks and everyone goes all-in, he calls as well because the pot is huge and stands to win $2,250 if he catches his miracle card on the river - which he does.

Now this player decides he doesn't like to play a big stack, therefore wants to give all $2,500 of his winnings to the dealer as a tip. Lets evaluate this from two different situations:

A) The player racks up and leaves the game, leaving behind his $2,250 tip he doesn't show a profit taking home his $250 initial buyin. All of his oponents are forced to rebuy for $250 each. I think its fair to say that we would all agree its within the players rights to tip the dealer the entire pot minus his investment.

B) The player decides to stay at the table, but gives the dealer the profits from the pot of $2,250. He just took off 90% of the table's collective stacks, with no chance for that money to remain within the poker economy.

this situation is obviously a moral dilemma. Theoretically a player can file a complaint to Casino Control, kind of bizarre isn't it? Of course we are talking about theoretical extremes, but this extreme example is a good reason why there are rules about taking money of the table, exchanging chips for legal tender, and purchasing items at the casino using chips.

In closing I'm not saying my example is realistic, it will probably never happen. But it does show why the OP's question is valid.... there is no definitive answer because so few of us have ever experienced the extreme examples that would make us question the definitive.

[the machine]

hey TT thanks for the response. this is what brought about the initial question. when "hypothetically" his tips start getting massive that they actually affect the game.

obv i dont mind about a 15$ tip on a small pot. if he wants to give away half of his profits then thats his business, which is why i didnt open my mouth to him at any point in the session.

but let say that this player starts busting everyone around him who had larger stacks then him. now he windles them all down to rebuying and in the course of 4500$ in profit he tips off 3000$.

in essence wouldnt that turn this into a -EV game. if i fell i have an advantage over every other player at the table and his luck breaks them all, then me having a large stack is pointless. this player will not have any money left for me to make off of him except his initial buyin and a little extra change depending on his tipping.




now let me throw out a few other questions. he did not ask this but if he had asked you whats a standard tip?? do you tell him a few bucks, or tell him what ever he fells is the right amount?

if you had a friend over from another country where 100% tips were coustomary at a restaurant and you see him doing that will you hop in and say 18-20% is standard. to quote others telling someone this might ruin a servers livelihood. LOL

[bernie]

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B) The player decides to stay at the table, but gives the dealer the profits from the pot of $2,250. He just took off 90% of the table's collective stacks, with no chance for that money to remain within the poker economy.

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The player can do with his money as he likes. Even if he wants to overtip.

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Theoretically a player can file a complaint to Casino Control, kind of bizarre isn't it?

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That doesn't mean that they'd really do anything about it. I doubt they would. At most they might investigate a bit to make sure the dealer and player weren't partners.

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