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08-12-2007, 04:06 PM
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flopped overpair, big pot, flop decision (nl1k)
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)
SB: $2,688.00 BB: $1,075.50/ UTG: $985.00 MP: $762.05 Hero (CO): $1,037.00 BTN: $1,104.00 Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players) 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $35.00</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $30.00, <font color="red">BB raises to $140.00</font>, Hero calls $105.00, SB calls $105.00 Flop: ($420) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players) SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $300.00</font>, Hero ? villian is psykotow tag/lag with 22/18 i know that he squeezes sometimes loose 
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#4
08-12-2007, 04:18 PM
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Re: flopped overpair, big pot, flop decision (nl1k)
GRUNCH:
PF is pretty thin but i prolly play it the same. I think in a 3bet pot v 2 players BB must figure someone will have an overpair here often enough to make a CB -EV. therefore fold. I think the4 presence of SB changes things dramatically. this doesn't make the PF call a mistake though.
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#6
08-12-2007, 04:22 PM
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Re: flopped overpair, big pot, flop decision (nl1k)
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GRUNCH: PF is pretty thin but i prolly play it the same. I think in a 3bet pot v 2 players BB must figure someone will have an overpair here often enough to make a CB -EV. therefore fold. I think the4 presence of SB changes things dramatically. this doesn't make the PF call a mistake though. [/ QUOTE ] If SB is bad I like calling here on the flop, because you could possibly get SB to overcall worse. Otherwise just get it in, although the fact he's betting strong into 2 players is a bit scary. I just think calling here pf with 100BBs is bad if you're not getting it in on this flop.
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#7
08-12-2007, 04:27 PM
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Re: flopped overpair, big pot, flop decision (nl1k)
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I think you need to decide pre-flop if you are wiling to stack of on a low flop. If not just fold. [/ QUOTE ] i disagree with these comments. do we know hes always cbetting a potsized bet in a multiway pot on a board like this after a squeeze? do we know if we call flop (not that i disagree about comitting yourself-but- lets say he only cbets 200) hes always pushing turn? certainly these are details we need to be aware of- and if the answer is 'yes, he always c bets here, gets it in on turn, etc' then we should indeed be decided about stacking off on a low flop if we call preflop. but thats way too fixed a line of thinking with regards to this post. anyways, i think this is super close, but i prob lean towards folding
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#9
08-12-2007, 06:12 PM
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Re: flopped overpair, big pot, flop decision (nl1k)
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[ QUOTE ] I think you need to decide pre-flop if you are wiling to stack of on a low flop. If not just fold. [/ QUOTE ] i disagree with these comments. do we know hes always cbetting a potsized bet in a multiway pot on a board like this after a squeeze? do we know if we call flop (not that i disagree about comitting yourself-but- lets say he only cbets 200) hes always pushing turn? certainly these are details we need to be aware of- and if the answer is 'yes, he always c bets here, gets it in on turn, etc' then we should indeed be decided about stacking off on a low flop if we call preflop. but thats way too fixed a line of thinking with regards to this post. anyways, i think this is super close, but i prob lean towards folding [/ QUOTE ] Maybe I'm faling into the trap of thinking most players play like me. I know I'm c-betting all whiffed overs in villians spot, then usually giving up on the turn. If we have a bet sizing tell then this changes a lot, but if not then the amount bet is irrelevant. Who knows if he's going for value or FE.
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